Screen size doesn't matter; it's good for businesses. I like what I see. Blackberry (and Microsoft) have the OS and the hardware needed to be relevant (if not monstruous) competitors. All they need are customers.
Nothing is more embarrassing than rap at a conference, especially a room full of suits... I doubt that even rappers rap at rap conferences. It's even more embarrassing than Ballmer sweating all over the products.
While I would probably never do it, the fact that I could stream my presentation as well as video and audio of myself to a meeting room and have someone else with a BB plug into a projector... remote meetings just got a lot more mobile. Of course, this would really be awesome if there was a desktop app to support the communication protocol - most meeting rooms have a computer connected... not BB10s.
That is what Blackberry Bridge is all about. Use a Playbook (assume a second Z10 could be used) to host a powerpoint presentation (yes i said powerpoint) and use your phone to remotely control the slides progression.
Everybody considers iPad a mobile device, so yes, Surface is mobile and Windows 8 on ARM is mobile too. Which makes MS undisputed leader in converging desktop and mobile worlds, no matter what Anand said here. No one else has anything close to this dual-personality OS.
If Anand thinks that iPad is not mobile, he's clearly wrong.
I don't. :D In my mind, tablets and laptops are mobile computers while smartphones are mobile devices. Unless I can easily carry it in any of my trousers/shorts/jeans, it's not a mobile device.
MS has Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone 8 none of which are compatible with each other. That is hardly what I would consider 'convergence.' MS is clearly trying but I would hardly put them ahead of Apple or Google when it comes to a seamless desktop to mobile transition. Google may actually be closest with their tight integration of services but its still clearly not what Anand is talking about.
Windows 8 and Windows RT are not compatible with each other? How about you Metro app that's easily compiled to both of these and works out of the box on both? How about portable .Net assemblies in VS 2012 that are compiled for ALL THREE OF THESE OSes? If you don't know about this stuff doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just means you have to learn the basics. And if you think Google has anything like Windows on dekstgop market, you need your head checked.
Reminiscence of Palm Pad, later HP Pad, later oblivion... This is exactly the feeling I got from RIM's presentation. My friends developers have been approached months ago by BB teams, in order to develop apps for BB...of course, the developers are not interested - they have only the resources to cover iOS and Android. Even Windows 8 phone is not getting yet much traction in the developers community.
During yesterday's launch event I had multiple live blogs up and the live video stream from the event. The amount of detail and number of photos post here at AT was perhaps 10% of the detail that was actually being demonstrated and reported by other fine tech sites who were covering this event.
If this would have been an Apple launch event the enthusiasm in the reporting/writing would have been far different. I definitely feel like AT has let it's readers down, and the bias towards certain companies is becoming more and more evident everyday. It just leaves a sour taste in the month that's all.
I was lucky enough to get to use a Z10 yesterday within minutes of the event ending and was comparing it to my archaic BB Bold 9700. It was a world of difference and breath of fresh of air between the new and old. It was so light, rigid, but felt soft to touch and fast, fast, fast UI. The transitions between Hub and applications are so fluid without any lag.
I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with this post.
Where are the Z10 & Q10 tear downs? Where are the detailed reviews?
You do realize that no rational federal government or fortune 500 company uses iphones and androids for work right? When security is paramount there really is only one option on the market right now.
I say this as a professional in mobile platform development. Sure I use an SGS3 for my personal device but BB is the only device that passes the security requirements of the modern world.
Why is Anandtech largely ignoring this massive business segment? You review business machines, servers, etc. Time to review business phones!
Unfortunately for RIM, sorry BlackBerry, the real world doesn't reconcile with the fantasy you live in. iOS has solid penetration into Fortune 500 companies, both for iPhones and iPads. The ones who have extremely strict security requirements are using services/apps from Good and others. The bottom line is that almost none of the users CHOOSE a BlackBerry when given the option. And even in Fortune 500 there's often a choice between an iPhone 5 or something like a Bold 9900/9930/9650. Go talk to the mobile telecom departments in those companies and ask how many users opt for the BlackBerry. Your massive business segment has been leaving RIM in droves for years while they've continued to be one of the most ineptly run tech companies in existence. It took them over HALF A DECADE to come up with an answer for the iPhone. That's completely ridiculous especially considering they were sitting atop the smartphone throne at the time. How long did it take Palm to come up with a competitive platform? Wasn't it around 2 years? And that was on a shoestring budget. Microsoft built a ground up rewrite with Windows Phone 7 in about the same timeframe after they abandoned the planned mild 'touchification' of WM 6. I'm not saying BlackBerry will be dead in a few years, but I'm also not optimistic that this happened soon enough to win back the mind share they need to compete. It's much easier to see a mobile landscape dominated by Android and iOS, with Windows Phone/Windows RT/Windows 8 filling in any enterprise gap that's left.
Not trying to troll, but this would have been great 2 years ago. it is a little too late to get people to switch when they are already entrenched in other platforms. For example, I will not repurchase apps that I already bought for myself on android, and for my wife on iOS.
Why was RIM soo stubborn, they could have gotten the same look and function by skinning android and adding a hardware encryption and it would have been released 2 years ago. it boggles my mind how long it took to get this out. And then have the audacity to ask all the android devs to just do a straight port of their apps. If you wanted android apps.
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jjj - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
They do have a live stream for the event http://tremolo.edgesuite.net/blackberry_experience...chuckit82 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
This will be like trying to go from an F to an A - let's hope they do this./BES Admin
menting - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
I hope they succeed. More competition means lower prices and better features for everyoneblanarahul - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
I hope they succeed. They are using last year's hardware. I hope the software is good enough to convince people.karasaj - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Last year's hardware?Snapdragon S4 Plus is not last year's hardware...
Screen size doesn't matter; it's good for businesses. I like what I see. Blackberry (and Microsoft) have the OS and the hardware needed to be relevant (if not monstruous) competitors. All they need are customers.
mayankleoboy1 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Then i took an Android phone...nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Nothing is more embarrassing than rap at a conference, especially a room full of suits... I doubt that even rappers rap at rap conferences. It's even more embarrassing than Ballmer sweating all over the products.dmk2000 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
100% agree.Are they trying to sell BB10 to gangsters ?
nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Young people are only interested in rap/R&B/hiphop, OBVIOUSLY.Nah, I mean, I get it... I just think it's really stupid.
nikon133 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Well, gangsters do need secured communication...dmk2000 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Looking at the presentation, one question: What BB10 can do that Android, IOS and windows cannot?Stuka87 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
The only real "new" feature that I can think of is the screen sharing. But I am not sure how useful that would be in a real world situation.nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Now that's cool. Can you connect BB10 to a projector and do presentations directly or remotely (through another BB10)? I can see that being useful.XJDHDR - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
The phones have a micro-HDMI port so you can use that.nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
While I would probably never do it, the fact that I could stream my presentation as well as video and audio of myself to a meeting room and have someone else with a BB plug into a projector... remote meetings just got a lot more mobile. Of course, this would really be awesome if there was a desktop app to support the communication protocol - most meeting rooms have a computer connected... not BB10s.IHateMyJob2004 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
That is what Blackberry Bridge is all about. Use a Playbook (assume a second Z10 could be used) to host a powerpoint presentation (yes i said powerpoint) and use your phone to remotely control the slides progression.IHateMyJob2004 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Oh, to add to this, this is not a new feature, it has been around for years. BB OS7 with Playbook could do this.DukeN - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Hopefully they can bring this to BB.This is a make or break app..
crimson117 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
> Intel has will.i.am, RIM has Alicia Keys, who's going to scoop up 50 Cent?Vitamin Water ;)
mayankleoboy1 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
maybe they need a bigger name. Maybe Eminem ?DukeN - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Can't wait for Nokia to hire Carrot Top...Pirks - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
"The next era will be mobile/desktop convergence and no one has demonstrated obvious leadership towards that end yet"Anand, have you ever heard about something called Windows 8?
Anything else out there that even remotely as close to one OS that's both desktop and mobile ready as Windows 8?
kmmatney - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Depends if you consider the surface as "mobile". I think Anand was taking about phones -> Windows Phone 8 is not the same as Windows 8Pirks - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Everybody considers iPad a mobile device, so yes, Surface is mobile and Windows 8 on ARM is mobile too. Which makes MS undisputed leader in converging desktop and mobile worlds, no matter what Anand said here. No one else has anything close to this dual-personality OS.If Anand thinks that iPad is not mobile, he's clearly wrong.
Death666Angel - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
I don't. :DIn my mind, tablets and laptops are mobile computers while smartphones are mobile devices. Unless I can easily carry it in any of my trousers/shorts/jeans, it's not a mobile device.
CeriseCogburn - Friday, February 1, 2013 - link
Phablet, fabulous.tilandal - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
MS has Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone 8 none of which are compatible with each other. That is hardly what I would consider 'convergence.' MS is clearly trying but I would hardly put them ahead of Apple or Google when it comes to a seamless desktop to mobile transition. Google may actually be closest with their tight integration of services but its still clearly not what Anand is talking about.Pirks - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Windows 8 and Windows RT are not compatible with each other? How about you Metro app that's easily compiled to both of these and works out of the box on both? How about portable .Net assemblies in VS 2012 that are compiled for ALL THREE OF THESE OSes? If you don't know about this stuff doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just means you have to learn the basics. And if you think Google has anything like Windows on dekstgop market, you need your head checked.smartthanyou - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Looks like some nice IP that some company will get when they liquidate their assets in the next year or so.Ananke - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link
Reminiscence of Palm Pad, later HP Pad, later oblivion...This is exactly the feeling I got from RIM's presentation.
My friends developers have been approached months ago by BB teams, in order to develop apps for BB...of course, the developers are not interested - they have only the resources to cover iOS and Android.
Even Windows 8 phone is not getting yet much traction in the developers community.
That's the sad truth...RIP RIM, I would say.
creed3020 - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - link
During yesterday's launch event I had multiple live blogs up and the live video stream from the event. The amount of detail and number of photos post here at AT was perhaps 10% of the detail that was actually being demonstrated and reported by other fine tech sites who were covering this event.If this would have been an Apple launch event the enthusiasm in the reporting/writing would have been far different. I definitely feel like AT has let it's readers down, and the bias towards certain companies is becoming more and more evident everyday. It just leaves a sour taste in the month that's all.
I was lucky enough to get to use a Z10 yesterday within minutes of the event ending and was comparing it to my archaic BB Bold 9700. It was a world of difference and breath of fresh of air between the new and old. It was so light, rigid, but felt soft to touch and fast, fast, fast UI. The transitions between Hub and applications are so fluid without any lag.
Pastuch - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - link
I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with this post.Where are the Z10 & Q10 tear downs? Where are the detailed reviews?
You do realize that no rational federal government or fortune 500 company uses iphones and androids for work right? When security is paramount there really is only one option on the market right now.
I say this as a professional in mobile platform development. Sure I use an SGS3 for my personal device but BB is the only device that passes the security requirements of the modern world.
Why is Anandtech largely ignoring this massive business segment? You review business machines, servers, etc. Time to review business phones!
DukeN - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - link
Yes, but that would require permission from this Effigy of Father Jobs (iJobs 4.0) that controls Anandtech operations.Bold prediction: Z10 and Q10 get the same number of reviews as the 9900/OS7 did - NONE.
Galcobar - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
"11:23AM EST - The announcement is coming to a close, thank you all for following, we'll have more on the announced devices later today"And a week later those promised reviews of the handsets are where?
Bob Todd - Friday, February 1, 2013 - link
Unfortunately for RIM, sorry BlackBerry, the real world doesn't reconcile with the fantasy you live in. iOS has solid penetration into Fortune 500 companies, both for iPhones and iPads. The ones who have extremely strict security requirements are using services/apps from Good and others. The bottom line is that almost none of the users CHOOSE a BlackBerry when given the option. And even in Fortune 500 there's often a choice between an iPhone 5 or something like a Bold 9900/9930/9650. Go talk to the mobile telecom departments in those companies and ask how many users opt for the BlackBerry. Your massive business segment has been leaving RIM in droves for years while they've continued to be one of the most ineptly run tech companies in existence. It took them over HALF A DECADE to come up with an answer for the iPhone. That's completely ridiculous especially considering they were sitting atop the smartphone throne at the time. How long did it take Palm to come up with a competitive platform? Wasn't it around 2 years? And that was on a shoestring budget. Microsoft built a ground up rewrite with Windows Phone 7 in about the same timeframe after they abandoned the planned mild 'touchification' of WM 6. I'm not saying BlackBerry will be dead in a few years, but I'm also not optimistic that this happened soon enough to win back the mind share they need to compete. It's much easier to see a mobile landscape dominated by Android and iOS, with Windows Phone/Windows RT/Windows 8 filling in any enterprise gap that's left.edlee - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - link
Not trying to troll, but this would have been great 2 years ago. it is a little too late to get people to switch when they are already entrenched in other platforms. For example, I will not repurchase apps that I already bought for myself on android, and for my wife on iOS.Why was RIM soo stubborn, they could have gotten the same look and function by skinning android and adding a hardware encryption and it would have been released 2 years ago. it boggles my mind how long it took to get this out. And then have the audacity to ask all the android devs to just do a straight port of their apps. If you wanted android apps.
sking.tech - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - link
You're old! you're behind, your BROKE, you should be an app on my droid... not a competitor.XonicEQ - Friday, February 1, 2013 - link
is my company provides it. otherwise I wouldn't go within 10 ft of a blackberry phone... so buggy and sluggish it's frustratingLokiThieve - Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - link
So still no update? Still no review of the hardware?