Performance per watt on the Dimensity 1200 is worse than on the Snapdragon 888, the battery life difference which is minor, is only due to lower performance.
That, if true, would be enormously troubling. Censorship baked into the OS or hardware should get those phones, and maybe even the entire company, banned from most markets. Too bad, I actually in the market, and considered getting a Xiaomi phone.
If you're not Taiwanese or Chinese, I don't see the problem with using Xiaomi. It's not like Intel, Google and Apple don't have their own surveillance to crack down on things like union organizing within the U.S.
Likewise, it would be smarter for someone from China to use something like a Motorola, Samsung or any de-Googled Android.
Eh, Google spies on everything that any user of its products or services does. There are a couple of class actions happening in various places over Chrome collecting and pushing data back up to the mothership even when users explicitly opted out. There's one for Android as well. Creepy as it gets really and its sad to see mindless drones broadly trusting a company like that or justifying by saying stuff like, "Oh well other companies do it too so its not like Google is unique," instead of being outraged and demanding action akin to what the EU is doing to protect its citizens. In the US, you're just more meat generating income that the data farmers can happily mine for money while handing out free looking goo-gaws and do-dads in exchange.
While I appreciate the update on battery life, that information is borderline useless without the details how the extra life was achieved. If, for example, the updated software simply disabled the A78 performance cores and strongly limited screen brightness, one would get a substantial increase in battery life, but the user experience would be worse than for many $ 200 phones. I applaud Andrei for clearly stating the caveats that one has to see these numbers with. Unless Xiaomi supplies additional information or, even better, let's Andrei have another go at a detailed analysis, I would still say "buyer beware".
I clearly stated that I measured no difference in performance. Display brightness is controlled and static. Please do not spread baseless misinformation.
Duly noted. Were you able to re-run your full performance measurements? I was a bit confused by the absence of any numbers for those, except for battery life. However, as I trust your reviews, your data mean that the SoC utilizes all cores, so that is good to know. All the more puzzling then what the difference to the previous firmware is.
"...Xiaomi had issued a firmware update where battery life seems to have improved a lot..." "Most importantly, this was a large improvement and discrepancy over the initial review firmware."
I'm inclined to interpret those lines as a 'significant' improvement.
Perhaps you’re the one who needs an increase in your reading comprehension. The quotes that Exodite posted is what I was referring to from the article.
If a “large improvement” isn’t significant, then what is?
The battery life increased by ~6 hours. That is a large and significant increase. I made the same mistake at first, please recheck the chart. The old number is at the bottom in with a black bar (as opposed to grey bars for the other phones, the red bar for the pro number, and the blue bar for the new results).
I think you guys misread the chart. The 11T old result is down at the bottom in black (it would be better if it were a different shade of blue to link it to and still differentiate from the new 11T result). The red bar is the 11TPro which is a different device. The old to new result is 7.43 to 13.18 hours. That's extremely significant, almost double the battery life.
No editor's note on the IP filtering story today? That seems like a more important thing to inform readers of than a performance change. Does a device not living up to its promise to work for the user not affect conclusions and recommendations?
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Wereweeb - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
Did they turn off Bitcoin_mining_when_idle or what?yeeeeman - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
so...better battery life compare to qualcomm. nice, you can see the benefit of using tsmc (mediatek) vs shitty samsung (qualcomm).Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
Performance per watt on the Dimensity 1200 is worse than on the Snapdragon 888, the battery life difference which is minor, is only due to lower performance.unclevagz - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
You mentioned running SPEC on the D1200, when would you be able to post results on performance & power?haukionkannel - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/lit...eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
That, if true, would be enormously troubling. Censorship baked into the OS or hardware should get those phones, and maybe even the entire company, banned from most markets. Too bad, I actually in the market, and considered getting a Xiaomi phone.Wereweeb - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
If you're not Taiwanese or Chinese, I don't see the problem with using Xiaomi. It's not like Intel, Google and Apple don't have their own surveillance to crack down on things like union organizing within the U.S.Likewise, it would be smarter for someone from China to use something like a Motorola, Samsung or any de-Googled Android.
melgross - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
Well, they don’t. Stop making things up.PeachNCream - Thursday, September 23, 2021 - link
Eh, Google spies on everything that any user of its products or services does. There are a couple of class actions happening in various places over Chrome collecting and pushing data back up to the mothership even when users explicitly opted out. There's one for Android as well. Creepy as it gets really and its sad to see mindless drones broadly trusting a company like that or justifying by saying stuff like, "Oh well other companies do it too so its not like Google is unique," instead of being outraged and demanding action akin to what the EU is doing to protect its citizens. In the US, you're just more meat generating income that the data farmers can happily mine for money while handing out free looking goo-gaws and do-dads in exchange.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
While I appreciate the update on battery life, that information is borderline useless without the details how the extra life was achieved. If, for example, the updated software simply disabled the A78 performance cores and strongly limited screen brightness, one would get a substantial increase in battery life, but the user experience would be worse than for many $ 200 phones. I applaud Andrei for clearly stating the caveats that one has to see these numbers with. Unless Xiaomi supplies additional information or, even better, let's Andrei have another go at a detailed analysis, I would still say "buyer beware".Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
I clearly stated that I measured no difference in performance. Display brightness is controlled and static. Please do not spread baseless misinformation.DougMcC - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
Curious what device you use to measure display brightness to avoid such cheating.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
Duly noted. Were you able to re-run your full performance measurements? I was a bit confused by the absence of any numbers for those, except for battery life. However, as I trust your reviews, your data mean that the SoC utilizes all cores, so that is good to know. All the more puzzling then what the difference to the previous firmware is.Zoomer - Saturday, October 2, 2021 - link
From the article, nothing was observed. Speculation - could be as simple as disabling debug mode, but we have no way to tell.Plumplum - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
Great...It's done!
It's better with this separate article.
melgross - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
It looks like a very minor increase. I don’t see why it’s being touted here as significant.The_Assimilator - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
I don't see anywhere it's being touted as significant. Perhaps you need to take some reading comprehension classes?Exodite - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
While I'm not melgross..."...Xiaomi had issued a firmware update where battery life seems to have improved a lot..."
"Most importantly, this was a large improvement and discrepancy over the initial review firmware."
I'm inclined to interpret those lines as a 'significant' improvement.
YMMV.
melgross - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
Perhaps you’re the one who needs an increase in your reading comprehension. The quotes that Exodite posted is what I was referring to from the article.If a “large improvement” isn’t significant, then what is?
dada_dave - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
The battery life increased by ~6 hours. That is a large and significant increase. I made the same mistake at first, please recheck the chart. The old number is at the bottom in with a black bar (as opposed to grey bars for the other phones, the red bar for the pro number, and the blue bar for the new results).dada_dave - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
I think you guys misread the chart. The 11T old result is down at the bottom in black (it would be better if it were a different shade of blue to link it to and still differentiate from the new 11T result). The red bar is the 11TPro which is a different device. The old to new result is 7.43 to 13.18 hours. That's extremely significant, almost double the battery life.willis936 - Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - link
No editor's note on the IP filtering story today? That seems like a more important thing to inform readers of than a performance change. Does a device not living up to its promise to work for the user not affect conclusions and recommendations?