Have they been actually tested on new Mac book with Thunderbolt3? There are Couple of Akitio Thunderbolt3 products which are incompatible. And soon coming out Pegasus3.
Considering the weight of 12 3,5" HDDs, I'd say it would take a significant knock to the top part of the case to make it topple, even if its base is quite small. Gravity can be useful.
Given that the 12big is 44,7cm tall, the centre of gravity (given that it's full of drives) would be 22,35cm off the table/floor. Then again, the PSU is on the bottom as well, which weighs at least as much as a HDD. And the bottom needs to be strong enough to support the weight of the drives, so it'll have some extra metal as well. I guesstimate the centre of gravity to be around 18cm from the bottom. While having a centre of gravity higher than the width of the base is far from ideal, I'd say it's a non-issue in this case. Bumping it with anything less than your shoulder/body would hardly shift this thing, not to mention tilt it enough to pass the point where it would topple.
And yes, of course mass makes a difference - more mass requires more energy to shift beyond the balancing point, regardless of the distribution.
Geez, just _what_ are you doing at your desk to knock a LaCie block of metal over? Are AnandTech comments getting you _that_ worked up that you’d be flailing your arms and legs around and keep hitting it?
Look who's talking, mister underscore frenzy LOL. Block of metal? It is essentially a computer case. Accidents happen, people bump into stuff, or lose balance, earthquakes are common in certain regions.
Anyway, what's your problem with people expressing educated opinions, are you a fascist or something?
I'd be more worried about the noise introduced to the audio system by having 12 7200rpm motors (plus four fans and a hefty PSU) next to your speaker cables. Metal housing might help, but probably not that much.
I've induced noise on a cheap set of speakers using only a single 800-2500 RPM 120mm fan. Of course it wasn't in a metal housing (which does more than you seem to think if properly grounded). More importantly, the power to the fan was from an unshielded PWM type connector. I would think that they'd want to use shielded wire for TB3 cables. Even if they didn't, I doubt the switching speeds in the TB3 cable that might couple into the speaker would be in a range audible to humans or reproducible by the speakers in the picture.
@TheinsanegamerN: "Perhaps he is referring to the vibrations from sound "upsetting" HDDs?"
For sure you could cause damage if you placed the HDD stack next to a sufficiently sized subwoofer and played a lot of loud bass heavy audio. Hard to say if the setup above would be sufficient.
@joelypolly: "I takes a lot more magnetic force than what is in a speaker to cause issues to a HDD"
Depends on the speaker, but in this case I'd wager you are correct. Small speakers with high powered magnets are the ones to look out for as larger speakers already put some significant space between the magnet and the edge of the chassis.
Most speakers over the last few decades are magnetically shielded (isolated magnets, RF\EMI foil lining) so you could place them next to CRT's and VCR's...today it's obviously applicable to prevent interference with nearby appliances such as hard disks, routers (wireless signals) and reduce coil whine in high current components of game consoles.
Magnetic interference\damage from speakers is virtually non-issue, however, putting Seagate hard disks in a product like this, at this price, makes me seriously question LaCie's decision to do so. With so many good alternatives such as the WD Datacenter and Hitachi He6, why would you want a shingled recording product or an unproven helium design from Seagate?
Hum. My experience with similar synology NAS is that 12 disks spinning is a lot of noise. You don't really want to have that on your desktop. Or perhaps combined with this sort of long optical cables: http://www.corning.com/optical-cables-by-corning/w...
They've been around a while for the older Thunderbolt versions. 10m active optical cables run around $250. Definitely more expensive than copper Thunderbolt, but not anywhere near a grand.
Yup. Even if you went high end with a Xeon 2U 8bay, you'd be looking at far less than this for roughly equivalent storage. Yes, this is more plug and play, but anyone into the kind of video editing that would require this type of storage would have an IT guy who could set it up and manage it.
I'm not sure if this is still the case today, but i3 chips were a popular choice for NAS servers a few years ago due to their support of ECC RAM (which for some reason i5/i7 chips don't).
Well, definitely more cost effective and secure than a fancy aluminum tower sitting on your desk. That's for sure. If performance isn't a key metric to consider, even a Drobo or two would save a ton of money, but obviously this is a performance product.
Anyone not using at least raid 6 with these is risking their work. SAT is good at hiding disk faults which you only find when you try a rebuild of an array.
Also what would back this up to? This sort of capacity is better being served over the network (from a locked secure room) rather than locally, this only makes sense to people with too much money and no idea about data protection.
Network storage isn't always a good match for film editing, where video bitrates can get into the multiple gigabits per second. Raw 8K60 isn't going to happen on anything short of a 10GigE network, and that can get very expensive very fast.
A more sensible option may be fast local storage (something like LaCie's option here) combined with a big cheap slow backup server in the network closet with footage being backed up over regular GigE.
Startup current is why. The average modern drive pulls roughly 2A on 12V startup + the .5A on 5V for the controller. 6 drives = ~160W for just the drives. Add in 5W per fan and 20W for the board/controller and you've hit about 200W. Then to top it off, you engineer in a little bit of headroom and/or pick up the closest off the shelf PSU and congratulations: 250W's your ideal choice of PSU.
PS: add in another 160W for the 12disk version and you hit 410W, so you go for the nearby 400W PSU rather than the more expensive 450W one.
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edward1987 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Have they been actually tested on new Mac book with Thunderbolt3? There are Couple of Akitio Thunderbolt3 products which are incompatible. And soon coming out Pegasus3.ddriver - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Such a thin, high tower, full of fragile hdd's just begging to be knocked over. Very poor choice.bigboxes - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
In the picture, where is it getting knocked over to?ddriver - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
In the picture it is next to a speaker that will ruin it anyway.bigboxes - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Not true. Do you believe anything you post?dsumanik - Thursday, November 3, 2016 - link
And it only costs 3 mortgage payments...I mean come on, the controllers in these things are probably grand total 35 dollars.
Chassis should be a 150 bucks max, and BYOD (bring you own disks)
edward1987 - Monday, January 23, 2017 - link
120TB for 15k - deposit for mortgage :) (https://www.span.com/search/lacie_space_Thunderbol... But I guess its what you get back from investment.Valantar - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Considering the weight of 12 3,5" HDDs, I'd say it would take a significant knock to the top part of the case to make it topple, even if its base is quite small. Gravity can be useful.ddriver - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Unless the center of gravity is low weight does nothing about stability. You could easily knock over a 10 ton steel pole that balances on its base.A horizontal rackmount compatible enclosure would make more sense, plus most professionals out there already have gear racks.
Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
This isn't a 10 foot tall steel pole!It's designed to live on or under a desk, so of course it's a tower. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
ddriver - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Well golly gee, thanks for the heads up Captain Obvious, I was just about to order!Also, I take it that you like it and will buy it, right?
Valantar - Wednesday, November 2, 2016 - link
Given that the 12big is 44,7cm tall, the centre of gravity (given that it's full of drives) would be 22,35cm off the table/floor. Then again, the PSU is on the bottom as well, which weighs at least as much as a HDD. And the bottom needs to be strong enough to support the weight of the drives, so it'll have some extra metal as well. I guesstimate the centre of gravity to be around 18cm from the bottom. While having a centre of gravity higher than the width of the base is far from ideal, I'd say it's a non-issue in this case. Bumping it with anything less than your shoulder/body would hardly shift this thing, not to mention tilt it enough to pass the point where it would topple.And yes, of course mass makes a difference - more mass requires more energy to shift beyond the balancing point, regardless of the distribution.
xype - Wednesday, November 2, 2016 - link
Geez, just _what_ are you doing at your desk to knock a LaCie block of metal over? Are AnandTech comments getting you _that_ worked up that you’d be flailing your arms and legs around and keep hitting it?ddriver - Wednesday, November 2, 2016 - link
Look who's talking, mister underscore frenzy LOL. Block of metal? It is essentially a computer case. Accidents happen, people bump into stuff, or lose balance, earthquakes are common in certain regions.Anyway, what's your problem with people expressing educated opinions, are you a fascist or something?
kissiel - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
That bunch of disks sitting next to a speaker unsettles me.BrokenCrayons - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Those are Seagate drives. What could possibly go wrong?BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, November 2, 2016 - link
I think this comment is most appropriately read in the voice of Gobber (How to Train Your Dragon). At least that is how I'm reading it. :)joelypolly - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
I takes a lot more magnetic force than what is in a speaker to cause issues to a HDDTheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Perhaps he is referring to the vibrations from sound "upsetting" HDDs?cygnus1 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Was going to say the same thing. Apparently the speaker vibration would do more damage than magnetic field it might be projecting.ddriver - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Both can't be good, but putting it under the table won't make for a nice photo.Valantar - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
I'd be more worried about the noise introduced to the audio system by having 12 7200rpm motors (plus four fans and a hefty PSU) next to your speaker cables. Metal housing might help, but probably not that much.BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, November 2, 2016 - link
I've induced noise on a cheap set of speakers using only a single 800-2500 RPM 120mm fan. Of course it wasn't in a metal housing (which does more than you seem to think if properly grounded). More importantly, the power to the fan was from an unshielded PWM type connector. I would think that they'd want to use shielded wire for TB3 cables. Even if they didn't, I doubt the switching speeds in the TB3 cable that might couple into the speaker would be in a range audible to humans or reproducible by the speakers in the picture.BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, November 2, 2016 - link
@TheinsanegamerN: "Perhaps he is referring to the vibrations from sound "upsetting" HDDs?"For sure you could cause damage if you placed the HDD stack next to a sufficiently sized subwoofer and played a lot of loud bass heavy audio. Hard to say if the setup above would be sufficient.
BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, November 2, 2016 - link
@joelypolly: "I takes a lot more magnetic force than what is in a speaker to cause issues to a HDD"Depends on the speaker, but in this case I'd wager you are correct. Small speakers with high powered magnets are the ones to look out for as larger speakers already put some significant space between the magnet and the edge of the chassis.
Samus - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Most speakers over the last few decades are magnetically shielded (isolated magnets, RF\EMI foil lining) so you could place them next to CRT's and VCR's...today it's obviously applicable to prevent interference with nearby appliances such as hard disks, routers (wireless signals) and reduce coil whine in high current components of game consoles.Magnetic interference\damage from speakers is virtually non-issue, however, putting Seagate hard disks in a product like this, at this price, makes me seriously question LaCie's decision to do so. With so many good alternatives such as the WD Datacenter and Hitachi He6, why would you want a shingled recording product or an unproven helium design from Seagate?
cm2187 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Hum. My experience with similar synology NAS is that 12 disks spinning is a lot of noise. You don't really want to have that on your desktop. Or perhaps combined with this sort of long optical cables: http://www.corning.com/optical-cables-by-corning/w...willis936 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
I don't see a price on there but I'd be surprised if that kind of cable cost less than a thousand dollars.cygnus1 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
They've been around a while for the older Thunderbolt versions. 10m active optical cables run around $250. Definitely more expensive than copper Thunderbolt, but not anywhere near a grand.cygnus1 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HE125VC/A/thunde...The 60m version actually is about $1000.... damn.
fred666 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
It's probably a better idea to get a PC with many SATA ports and hard drive bays instead of this.bill.rookard - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Yup. Even if you went high end with a Xeon 2U 8bay, you'd be looking at far less than this for roughly equivalent storage. Yes, this is more plug and play, but anyone into the kind of video editing that would require this type of storage would have an IT guy who could set it up and manage it.Guspaz - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
I'm not sure if this is still the case today, but i3 chips were a popular choice for NAS servers a few years ago due to their support of ECC RAM (which for some reason i5/i7 chips don't).Samus - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Well, definitely more cost effective and secure than a fancy aluminum tower sitting on your desk. That's for sure. If performance isn't a key metric to consider, even a Drobo or two would save a ton of money, but obviously this is a performance product.lorribot - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Anyone not using at least raid 6 with these is risking their work. SAT is good at hiding disk faults which you only find when you try a rebuild of an array.Also what would back this up to? This sort of capacity is better being served over the network (from a locked secure room) rather than locally, this only makes sense to people with too much money and no idea about data protection.
Guspaz - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Network storage isn't always a good match for film editing, where video bitrates can get into the multiple gigabits per second. Raw 8K60 isn't going to happen on anything short of a 10GigE network, and that can get very expensive very fast.A more sensible option may be fast local storage (something like LaCie's option here) combined with a big cheap slow backup server in the network closet with footage being backed up over regular GigE.
faiakes - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
WTF!?!What on earth justifies that price?
Why the f $@^ is a 250w PSU needed to run 6 drives, 2 fans and the logic?
Fu@#$^% as swipes...
ZeDestructor - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Startup current is why. The average modern drive pulls roughly 2A on 12V startup + the .5A on 5V for the controller. 6 drives = ~160W for just the drives. Add in 5W per fan and 20W for the board/controller and you've hit about 200W. Then to top it off, you engineer in a little bit of headroom and/or pick up the closest off the shelf PSU and congratulations: 250W's your ideal choice of PSU.PS: add in another 160W for the 12disk version and you hit 410W, so you go for the nearby 400W PSU rather than the more expensive 450W one.
faiakes - Thursday, November 3, 2016 - link
Alright...Didn't account for startup power demands.
Still...over 3000 for a measly PSU and metal frame...even with the logic...
andychow - Monday, November 7, 2016 - link
Private-Public for AES? Isn't AES symmetric? They mean RSA? I'm confused.damianrobertjones - Tuesday, November 8, 2016 - link
The 1980's wants their design back!