I've had the X299 Gaming Pro Carbon with a 7900X since early July when the X299 platform launched, and I'm quite happy with it. The latest BIOS update has resolved the last small annoyance I had with it, as well.
A PCIe 3.0 x4 interface for the DMI 3.0 link means the chipset's 24 lanes of PCIe 3.0 are being pushed though this narrow x4 link, which is really a joke as this is not a PCIe switch interface, so to think 24 lanes squished over a x4 lane DMI does not limit bandwidth is pie in the sky. The fiasco of thermal paste in the CPU causing heat problems is also a joke, so why would anybody consider the x299 platform is a viable HEDT worth considering with such poor cooling performance. VRM power delivery.using multi-phase Buck converters is pushing it beyond its realistic capabilities with 88% full load efficiency, and certainly cannot be heralded as a viable HEDT platform power supply with currents exceeding 150 Amps. All these factors combined yield a less than ideal product right out of the gate, whose cost is sky rocketing because of expensive power delivery solution, and outlandish Intel prices. To be frank, the PC industry has lost its marbles.
While I agree with Dan on feeding the troll, it is widely known that thermal paste is not as thermally conductive as solder. I refuse to comment on the rest of vgray's comment.
I don't see a problem with thermal paste between the CPU and the IHS as long as you're not pushing the CPU beyond its OEM specifications. Overclocking is done at your own risk and I see no reason why Intel should get taken to task over not supporting a person that by all rights should know they're trying to operate outside of the envelope to eek out a slightly higher benchmark score while reaping little to no real world benefit for all their effort and expenses.
Because Intel downgraded their performance that way. It also affects regular users, because lower thermal conductivity makes the fans run harder even when not overclocking. Furthermore, even without overclocking, Skylake-X can consume quite a bit of power, as mentioned in this article.
To break out my second response, overclocking isn't just for the benchmarks. In CPU limited applications, overclocking will increase your performance. A good example would be financial traders, but there are many other CPU limited applications.
"Overclocking is done at your own risk and I see no reason why Intel should get taken to task over not supporting a person that by all rights should know they're trying to operate outside of the envelope to eek out a slightly higher benchmark score while reaping little to no real world benefit for all their effort and expenses"
My i5 OCed to 5Ghz which is 26% performance gain over stock clock. Which means every time I use Handbrake to transcode my videos, I can save about 25% of my time and I do video encoding quite a lot. That's some real world benefit for me. Secondly, I don't see the need to upgrade my CPU every year nor having the money to do so. So, having a OC-able CPU is another benefit. That's why I bought a K series CPU instead of a non-K.
For home use, that's perfectly reasonable. You know the risks and you're accepting them and you're pinching a little extra life out of your system. In a production environment, overclocking is very uncommon because system life cycles are shorter and because time is money so new computers are purchased to gain that 25% back in increased productivity. Intel's primary customers are OEMs that sell to businesses and to non-overclocking home users. The fact that K processors even exist is only half-hearted nod to a small market segment in order to keep the most vocal parts of the enthusiast community from actively working to tarnish the company's brand name. It's important to them to acknowledge that group and appease it because doing so adds investment value versus the fairly low added costs of producing unlocked chips (for which they can charge premiums...nevermind the added "performance" chipset costs) but this is all about maximizing profits through playing up to the emotions of those few customers.
With inadequate cooling and power in mobile devices, no sense to build them with unlocked CPUs. With desktop, most rational people would choose one with an unlocked CPU unless they don't see the needs for extra power. Because new CPUs performance only increase in average about 15% over previous generation, and likely sockets change for each gen especially with Intel, I'd rather get a system with an unlocked CPU to extend its usefulness. Home-build or pre-build, for home or office, there's not much of a difference if one has some common sense.
Obviously you have very little knowledge about microprocessors, together with other computer components in general and how they work. You also have no clue about the CPU market nor common sense. Do you know that you can overclock your CPU with 1 click via MB UEFI?
Wouldn't it be a nice feature to have the power and reset buttons in the rear io too; that way one may skip the front panel power/reset connections if one wishes to?
As if you don't also have a USB port on the front of your case...next to the power & reset button too.... Nah, lets just find something to complain about.
"M.2 shields to assist in thermal dissipation" It's been shown that last gen's "shields" actually trap heat and raise the temp. Hopefully they did something about that here.
This motherboard will surely make your gaming experience more amazing. just like https://www.nosurveysnodownload.com is making our gaming more easy and fun.
Carbon Fiber was recently found to be a similar structure to asbestos fibers. Meaning all these manufacturers, in their vapid desire to have components that look like gaudy race car parts, are endangering customers with horrific carginogenic parts. Carbon fiber under heart, or duress, or damaged, and when airborne WILL give you cancer just like to poor heroes during 9/11. Steer clear of these ignorant manufacturers.
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Dr. Swag - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
Typo on the first page, under the skylake x CPU table. It should say the gaming pro carbon not the gaming i9 :)nevcairiel - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
I've had the X299 Gaming Pro Carbon with a 7900X since early July when the X299 platform launched, and I'm quite happy with it. The latest BIOS update has resolved the last small annoyance I had with it, as well.Juliebattery - Saturday, September 23, 2017 - link
Have you find the correct battery for X299 in good quality and reasonable price?[email protected] - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
A PCIe 3.0 x4 interface for the DMI 3.0 link means the chipset's 24 lanes of PCIe 3.0 are being pushed though this narrow x4 link, which is really a joke as this is not a PCIe switch interface, so to think 24 lanes squished over a x4 lane DMI does not limit bandwidth is pie in the sky. The fiasco of thermal paste in the CPU causing heat problems is also a joke, so why would anybody consider the x299 platform is a viable HEDT worth considering with such poor cooling performance. VRM power delivery.using multi-phase Buck converters is pushing it beyond its realistic capabilities with 88% full load efficiency, and certainly cannot be heralded as a viable HEDT platform power supply with currents exceeding 150 Amps. All these factors combined yield a less than ideal product right out of the gate, whose cost is sky rocketing because of expensive power delivery solution, and outlandish Intel prices. To be frank, the PC industry has lost its marbles.TEAMSWITCHER - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
So ... you've analyzed the thermal paste yourself? Did a complete chemical work up? Used an alternative thermal compound and got 6 GHZ on air?DanNeely - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
Please don't feed the troll again. He created an ~40 message flamewar on the recent x399 article over his pet favorite power topology.MajGenRelativity - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
While I agree with Dan on feeding the troll, it is widely known that thermal paste is not as thermally conductive as solder. I refuse to comment on the rest of vgray's comment.BrokenCrayons - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
I don't see a problem with thermal paste between the CPU and the IHS as long as you're not pushing the CPU beyond its OEM specifications. Overclocking is done at your own risk and I see no reason why Intel should get taken to task over not supporting a person that by all rights should know they're trying to operate outside of the envelope to eek out a slightly higher benchmark score while reaping little to no real world benefit for all their effort and expenses.MajGenRelativity - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
Because Intel downgraded their performance that way. It also affects regular users, because lower thermal conductivity makes the fans run harder even when not overclocking. Furthermore, even without overclocking, Skylake-X can consume quite a bit of power, as mentioned in this article.MajGenRelativity - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
To break out my second response, overclocking isn't just for the benchmarks. In CPU limited applications, overclocking will increase your performance. A good example would be financial traders, but there are many other CPU limited applications.sonny73n - Friday, September 22, 2017 - link
"Overclocking is done at your own risk and I see no reason why Intel should get taken to task over not supporting a person that by all rights should know they're trying to operate outside of the envelope to eek out a slightly higher benchmark score while reaping little to no real world benefit for all their effort and expenses"My i5 OCed to 5Ghz which is 26% performance gain over stock clock. Which means every time I use Handbrake to transcode my videos, I can save about 25% of my time and I do video encoding quite a lot. That's some real world benefit for me. Secondly, I don't see the need to upgrade my CPU every year nor having the money to do so. So, having a OC-able CPU is another benefit. That's why I bought a K series CPU instead of a non-K.
sonny73n - Friday, September 22, 2017 - link
By the way, there's no need for another obstacle between the CPU and HSF. I have never seen a CPU with lid in a laptop. So why not de-lid them?BrokenCrayons - Friday, September 22, 2017 - link
For home use, that's perfectly reasonable. You know the risks and you're accepting them and you're pinching a little extra life out of your system. In a production environment, overclocking is very uncommon because system life cycles are shorter and because time is money so new computers are purchased to gain that 25% back in increased productivity. Intel's primary customers are OEMs that sell to businesses and to non-overclocking home users. The fact that K processors even exist is only half-hearted nod to a small market segment in order to keep the most vocal parts of the enthusiast community from actively working to tarnish the company's brand name. It's important to them to acknowledge that group and appease it because doing so adds investment value versus the fairly low added costs of producing unlocked chips (for which they can charge premiums...nevermind the added "performance" chipset costs) but this is all about maximizing profits through playing up to the emotions of those few customers.sonny73n - Sunday, September 24, 2017 - link
With inadequate cooling and power in mobile devices, no sense to build them with unlocked CPUs. With desktop, most rational people would choose one with an unlocked CPU unless they don't see the needs for extra power. Because new CPUs performance only increase in average about 15% over previous generation, and likely sockets change for each gen especially with Intel, I'd rather get a system with an unlocked CPU to extend its usefulness. Home-build or pre-build, for home or office, there's not much of a difference if one has some common sense.Obviously you have very little knowledge about microprocessors, together with other computer components in general and how they work. You also have no clue about the CPU market nor common sense. Do you know that you can overclock your CPU with 1 click via MB UEFI?
BrokenCrayons - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link
I don't understand the need to make personal attacks, but you can continue this conversation without my participation.prateekprakash - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
Wouldn't it be a nice feature to have the power and reset buttons in the rear io too; that way one may skip the front panel power/reset connections if one wishes to?DanNeely - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
nothing could be grander than accidentally hitting reset while fumbling around behind the case with a USB/etc cable trying to find a plug.CheapSushi - Friday, September 22, 2017 - link
As if you don't also have a USB port on the front of your case...next to the power & reset button too.... Nah, lets just find something to complain about.prateekprakash - Saturday, September 23, 2017 - link
Okay, then maybe a bios setting option to turn off the rear panel power/reset button, for those who would rather prefer front panel button...halcyon - Friday, September 22, 2017 - link
Are the DPC latency results really so varied on X299 platfrom? HardOCP got 81us for MSI X299 SLI Plus:https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/09/05/msi_x29...
nr_ripper - Friday, September 22, 2017 - link
WTF still NO 10GBASE-T NIC out of the box?What is this... mid 2000-s? The standard was ratified in 2006, now it's 2017.
etamin - Saturday, September 23, 2017 - link
"M.2 shields to assist in thermal dissipation"It's been shown that last gen's "shields" actually trap heat and raise the temp. Hopefully they did something about that here.
jeremypolard - Sunday, October 1, 2017 - link
This motherboard will surely make your gaming experience more amazing. just like https://www.nosurveysnodownload.com is making our gaming more easy and fun.JamesKavanagh - Sunday, October 15, 2017 - link
Carbon Fiber was recently found to be a similar structure to asbestos fibers. Meaning all these manufacturers, in their vapid desire to have components that look like gaudy race car parts, are endangering customers with horrific carginogenic parts. Carbon fiber under heart, or duress, or damaged, and when airborne WILL give you cancer just like to poor heroes during 9/11. Steer clear of these ignorant manufacturers.