ASUS killed its TUF brand the moment they brought Gaming to it and made it cheap. To me, other than some cool looking peripherals and licensed products, anything TUF is trash except the laptop which is a a budget model.
yeh really do not know why ASUS did this, TUF branding was the "proper" ROG before ROG was a thing, TUF Sabertooth was one hell of a nice motherboard, somewhere along the line Asus really shit on their own branding, the only TUF thing about it is "oh you wanted better value for your hard earned purchase price, well that is TUF ti**ies now isn't it?" LOL.
that is pretty snazzy looking mobo, not sure about them only using a 6 phase however, true 6 phase or 3+3?
hopefully the VRM section is robust enough instead of claiming it is and users finding out it gets smoking hot under normal use let alone if you decide to overclock O.O
As long as they are running 1 inductor (choke) per phase like always, it appears to be 6 total phases arranged in a 4 + 2, VCore/VSoC arrangement. Aka most likely 100% identical to it's B350 equivalent (and at minimum, having an identical element count with the exact same caps & chokes used before).
So as the difference between B350 & B450 as shown here, is non-existent in actual phase/inductor/capcitor count (MSI's [among others] B350 VRM setup was also 4+2 phases, with 1x inductor/choke per phase, and 11x capacitors [7x VCore area, 4x VSoC]), the only possible upgrades to the power delivery beyond the improved heatsinks is if the actual mosfets soldered underneath have been upgraded to new higher amperage parts.
Now the reason they'd do that, is that using new, higher amperage mosfets = higher max theoretical temporary & sustained current delivery (in Amps); both of which are among the major primary criteria affecting how exactly Precision Boost 2 works/behaves.
In fact, along with max allowed power draw (in Watts), those two settings (the board's particular VRM's max allowed temporary & sustained output amperages) make up the 3 main variables to PB2's behavior (in addition to the always exposed "cTDP" option which allows one to change the chip's general TDP from the 65/95/105W default), that enabling Precision Boost Overdrive exposed to the user for editing. This, using higher capacity mosfets is an easy way to increase PB2 headroom out of the box w/o needing to change anything else like dramatically re-doing the PCB layout beyond soldering different fet packages to the contact pads under said heatsinks.
But unless they happen to have gone that route, it appears that MSI's power delivery is completely unchanged on a hardware level from B350 to B450 beyond those improved heatsinks, which is quite a bit disappointing imo.
Then what you think about other companies like ASUS , gigabyte or asrock if you answer that , it would be really helpful , i was thinking to buy in the future !!
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The Chill Blueberry - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
They have the TUF aesthetic down better than Asus has.Ket_MANIAC - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
ASUS killed its TUF brand the moment they brought Gaming to it and made it cheap. To me, other than some cool looking peripherals and licensed products, anything TUF is trash except the laptop which is a a budget model.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
yeh really do not know why ASUS did this, TUF branding was the "proper" ROG before ROG was a thing, TUF Sabertooth was one hell of a nice motherboard, somewhere along the line Asus really shit on their own branding, the only TUF thing about it is "oh you wanted better value for your hard earned purchase price, well that is TUF ti**ies now isn't it?" LOL.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
that is pretty snazzy looking mobo, not sure about them only using a 6 phase however, true 6 phase or 3+3?hopefully the VRM section is robust enough instead of claiming it is and users finding out it gets smoking hot under normal use let alone if you decide to overclock O.O
Cooe - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
As long as they are running 1 inductor (choke) per phase like always, it appears to be 6 total phases arranged in a 4 + 2, VCore/VSoC arrangement. Aka most likely 100% identical to it's B350 equivalent (and at minimum, having an identical element count with the exact same caps & chokes used before).So as the difference between B350 & B450 as shown here, is non-existent in actual phase/inductor/capcitor count (MSI's [among others] B350 VRM setup was also 4+2 phases, with 1x inductor/choke per phase, and 11x capacitors [7x VCore area, 4x VSoC]), the only possible upgrades to the power delivery beyond the improved heatsinks is if the actual mosfets soldered underneath have been upgraded to new higher amperage parts.
Now the reason they'd do that, is that using new, higher amperage mosfets = higher max theoretical temporary & sustained current delivery (in Amps); both of which are among the major primary criteria affecting how exactly Precision Boost 2 works/behaves.
In fact, along with max allowed power draw (in Watts), those two settings (the board's particular VRM's max allowed temporary & sustained output amperages) make up the 3 main variables to PB2's behavior (in addition to the always exposed "cTDP" option which allows one to change the chip's general TDP from the 65/95/105W default), that enabling Precision Boost Overdrive exposed to the user for editing. This, using higher capacity mosfets is an easy way to increase PB2 headroom out of the box w/o needing to change anything else like dramatically re-doing the PCB layout beyond soldering different fet packages to the contact pads under said heatsinks.
But unless they happen to have gone that route, it appears that MSI's power delivery is completely unchanged on a hardware level from B350 to B450 beyond those improved heatsinks, which is quite a bit disappointing imo.
Cerejo92 - Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - link
Then what you think about other companies like ASUS , gigabyte or asrock if you answer that , it would be really helpful , i was thinking to buy in the future !!meacupla - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Sooo.... mATX?drexnx - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
I wonder if it's real 16.7million RGB instead of the 7 color garbage the B350M Tomahawk is saddled with :\