And I thought the B450-F was a bit gaudy...at least the stenciling wasn't red and white.
Besides that, I like seeing feature-rich boards at this price point. High-end Z370/X470 boards are overkill for a lot of builders who aren't going to do much (if any) overclocking, and low-end Z370/X470 boards tend to be fairly barebones. These upscale B360/B450 boards are great since you get quite a few features without having to pay for the overkill power delivery and SLI support you'll never use. AMD does it better IMO because B450 supports overclocking, so even without the best power delivery you couod still get a couple hundred megahertz overclock.
Inside a case, nobody sees it not even you, so really, who cares what it looks like. Performance and quality matter in my opinion, and gaudy stuff and lights only increases cost for zero gain.
If the latest case trend weren't "Tempered Glass Everywhere", I might agree with you. However, these days seeing your motherboard inside your case is pretty common with custom PCs. Aesthetics have become an important part of PC building for some.
I wouldn't bother with a case that has any sort of window. My preferred desktop would sit inside a ~$30, bargain bin Rosewill mATX tower so I'd never see it as vgray implies. Despite that, I saw the stupid text on the motherboard on the first page and I didn't even bother to care about how it stacked up on subsequent benchmarks. There are lots of functional alternatives that don't look as stupid so while performance matters, I can just buy something that doesn't look like a teenage boy's skateboard.
I'd never buy a case with a window. FCC regulatory failure aside, there will inevitably be EMI and\or RFI interference due to lack of shielding near the surface components (particularely videocards) that could result in anything from coil whine and output distortion to general stability issues.
Ever notice every top PC OEM throughout history has never issued a mainstream model with a window? There is a good reason for that.
I get your point, but anecdotally I've personally never experience any instability because of a case window, and I can't recall anybody who has.
I also don't know what you define as "mainstream", but both HP and Lenovo sell PCs with side windows. If by "mainstream" you mean "not gaming-branded", I can think of a number of good reasons why they wouldn't have windows, none of which have anything to do with EM or RF interference, or FCC compliance:
* Joe Schmoe doesn't care about what the inside of his computer looks like * Increased manufacture cost, since the side panel requires more than "bend sheet metal" * Mainstream computers aren't built to look good inside. All you'd really see would be air ducting.
No only if its Lead glass and shielding effiecincy will decrease with decreasing frequency, If you buy Lead glass expect a visit from government institutions like Homeland security FBI, etc. who would inquire as to what the freak you are using that for :))
Diagnostic displays come in handy when builds go south, or hardware dies. As for the mATX, I imagine much like houses, people are downsizing, so the computer doesn't eat the desk.
Yup thinking the same thing. If I was building a new Intel box right now I would probably purchase this board and never look at it again unless I was adding a drive or fixing something.
You do see them. Black-on-black is the bane of the computer installer's life. Board makers used to understand this and color-coded everything. Instead of ease-of-use, though, we have to be teenybopper edgelords these days. Skulls on SSDs coupled with Rainbow Brite LEDs.
In the DPC Latency section of the System Performance page: "Our DPC latency results for the B360-G Gaming 122 µs which is about par for the course after our minor script adjustments."
Compared to the last ryzen mobo review (asrock x470): https://www.anandtech.com/show/12666/the-asrock-x4... "While none of the manufacturers of the boards tested on the AM4 socket so far have been optimized for DPC latency,"
Am I to understand that sub 100 us is being considered "not optimized for DPC latency" while only two of the current list of coffee lake tested mobos approach 100 us are?
Is this an oversight or is there something I'm missing? It looks like the AM4 platform is currently ahead of coffee lake in terms of DPC latency.
I would like to suggest to these manufacturers, though, that they strongly consider putting a bleeding severed head on the plastic heatsinks, and prominently on the packaging also. Bleeding severed heads compliment SSDs with skulls on them and encourage people to think positively about the product.
I couldn't resist picking one up in my Mobo search a week ago a half ago at $90 shipped to the door. The text is non existent once it goes into a case, no big deal, but it sure did make me rethink it when I was purchasing it. The video card and aftermarket HSF cover it all just fine :)
I can sorta understand being proud about being a gamer.
(Ok, not really. But its certainly nothing to be ashamed about.)
What I DONT understand, and what kinda irks me, is being obnoxious and loud about being a gamer.
And thats unfortunately a great way to sum up the design-language of 90% of all these LED flashing, "Gamer" styled system components and PC accessories.
It is missing built in wifi tho the improved audio might be noticeable. And is the red really as bright, or has someone done something wiith the hue slider . Can never have enough usb ports , even maybe usb2 if someone wants to install win7 or Solaris
The specs listed here for the M.2 sockets do not match the ASUS website. Here are the official specs:
1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)* 1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M Key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 2 mode)
How much difference does it make in real-world usage that the second M.2 slot is only x2 instead of x4?
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Inteli - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
And I thought the B450-F was a bit gaudy...at least the stenciling wasn't red and white.Besides that, I like seeing feature-rich boards at this price point. High-end Z370/X470 boards are overkill for a lot of builders who aren't going to do much (if any) overclocking, and low-end Z370/X470 boards tend to be fairly barebones. These upscale B360/B450 boards are great since you get quite a few features without having to pay for the overkill power delivery and SLI support you'll never use. AMD does it better IMO because B450 supports overclocking, so even without the best power delivery you couod still get a couple hundred megahertz overclock.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
That is an obnoxious looking motherboard![email protected] - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
Inside a case, nobody sees it not even you, so really, who cares what it looks like. Performance and quality matter in my opinion, and gaudy stuff and lights only increases cost for zero gain.Inteli - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
If the latest case trend weren't "Tempered Glass Everywhere", I might agree with you. However, these days seeing your motherboard inside your case is pretty common with custom PCs. Aesthetics have become an important part of PC building for some.PeachNCream - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
I wouldn't bother with a case that has any sort of window. My preferred desktop would sit inside a ~$30, bargain bin Rosewill mATX tower so I'd never see it as vgray implies. Despite that, I saw the stupid text on the motherboard on the first page and I didn't even bother to care about how it stacked up on subsequent benchmarks. There are lots of functional alternatives that don't look as stupid so while performance matters, I can just buy something that doesn't look like a teenage boy's skateboard.Samus - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
I'd never buy a case with a window. FCC regulatory failure aside, there will inevitably be EMI and\or RFI interference due to lack of shielding near the surface components (particularely videocards) that could result in anything from coil whine and output distortion to general stability issues.Ever notice every top PC OEM throughout history has never issued a mainstream model with a window? There is a good reason for that.
Inteli - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
I get your point, but anecdotally I've personally never experience any instability because of a case window, and I can't recall anybody who has.I also don't know what you define as "mainstream", but both HP and Lenovo sell PCs with side windows. If by "mainstream" you mean "not gaming-branded", I can think of a number of good reasons why they wouldn't have windows, none of which have anything to do with EM or RF interference, or FCC compliance:
* Joe Schmoe doesn't care about what the inside of his computer looks like
* Increased manufacture cost, since the side panel requires more than "bend sheet metal"
* Mainstream computers aren't built to look good inside. All you'd really see would be air ducting.
erotomania - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
dumbass...glass blocks EMI better...Bonge - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
No only if its Lead glass and shielding effiecincy will decrease with decreasing frequency,If you buy Lead glass expect a visit from government institutions like Homeland security FBI, etc. who would inquire as to what the freak you are using that for :))
speculatrix - Saturday, November 3, 2018 - link
Well done, @Bonge, for a measured response to @erotomania's rude ignorant/wrong comment.Threska - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
Diagnostic displays come in handy when builds go south, or hardware dies. As for the mATX, I imagine much like houses, people are downsizing, so the computer doesn't eat the desk.Samus - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
Yep. Throw it in a black case and move on. Who cares what the internals of a PC look like if you never see them.Holliday75 - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
Yup thinking the same thing. If I was building a new Intel box right now I would probably purchase this board and never look at it again unless I was adding a drive or fixing something.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
You do see them. Black-on-black is the bane of the computer installer's life. Board makers used to understand this and color-coded everything. Instead of ease-of-use, though, we have to be teenybopper edgelords these days. Skulls on SSDs coupled with Rainbow Brite LEDs.V900 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
Oh you poor, naive fool!How will you communicate the fact that you like to game to people, with the case all locked up like that, hmm?
Didn't think about that, did you?
You know what people who come to visit you will think?
"That Samus guy is kinda cool, just too bad he's not a gamer!" Yup! Thats exactly what theyll think.
desolation0 - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
If they don't get it from the original Unreal flyby benchmark test as screensaver I'm not sure they can be helped.willis936 - Tuesday, September 25, 2018 - link
In the DPC Latency section of the System Performance page:"Our DPC latency results for the B360-G Gaming 122 µs which is about par for the course after our minor script adjustments."
Compared to the last ryzen mobo review (asrock x470):
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12666/the-asrock-x4...
"While none of the manufacturers of the boards tested on the AM4 socket so far have been optimized for DPC latency,"
Am I to understand that sub 100 us is being considered "not optimized for DPC latency" while only two of the current list of coffee lake tested mobos approach 100 us are?
Is this an oversight or is there something I'm missing? It looks like the AM4 platform is currently ahead of coffee lake in terms of DPC latency.
Oxford Guy - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
I wasn't sure what motherboard I could but that would let me play computer games. So, when I saw Gaming in the title I knew it was the board I needed.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
I would like to suggest to these manufacturers, though, that they strongly consider putting a bleeding severed head on the plastic heatsinks, and prominently on the packaging also. Bleeding severed heads compliment SSDs with skulls on them and encourage people to think positively about the product.96redformula - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
I couldn't resist picking one up in my Mobo search a week ago a half ago at $90 shipped to the door. The text is non existent once it goes into a case, no big deal, but it sure did make me rethink it when I was purchasing it. The video card and aftermarket HSF cover it all just fine :)V900 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
That poor, defenceless board!It looks like it was assaulted by some hoodlums with spraycans... Like a subwaycar the morning after the guard in the train yard called in sick.
I guess I shouldn't care though, since Id just keep it locked up in a glassless cabinet anyways.
V900 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
I can sorta understand being proud about being a gamer.(Ok, not really. But its certainly nothing to be ashamed about.)
What I DONT understand, and what kinda irks me, is being obnoxious and loud about being a gamer.
And thats unfortunately a great way to sum up the design-language of 90% of all these LED flashing, "Gamer" styled system components and PC accessories.
"Obnoxious and loud about being a gamer."
araczynski - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
Duuuude, EVERYone knows you can't be a 'leet fortnite/esports contender if your gaming rig doesn't look like it was bukkaked by a gay unicorn.mip1983 - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
Why do modern motherboards still have PS2 and DVI ports? Remove for more USB's plz (only 3+ or c).dromoxen - Thursday, October 4, 2018 - link
It is missing built in wifi tho the improved audio might be noticeable. And is the red really as bright, or has someone done something wiith the hue slider . Can never have enough usb ports , even maybe usb2 if someone wants to install win7 or SolarisRootyTooty - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
The specs listed here for the M.2 sockets do not match the ASUS website. Here are the official specs:1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*
1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M Key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 2 mode)
How much difference does it make in real-world usage that the second M.2 slot is only x2 instead of x4?