Not really, it matches the laptops other specs perfectly. This is a standard well equipped laptop for the 99.9% of public, not some workstation laptop. Even running Photoshop, web browsers, and some video at the same time, I never get to 8GB.
The bigger problem is that the starting price is $934 and the base model has only 4GB of RAM. That's a $1000 laptop after tax with the same amount of RAM that a laptop half its price would come with.
Without the VAT is $778, and probably even cheaper because there are less consumer protection to account for in US. May be $749. Which is still *expensive* for a laptop that only comes with 4GB Memory.
Yeah, there are a lot of unknowns regarding this machine including the SSD it comes with because all we see is "up to 512 GB". I suspect the base model will come with 128GB SSD, what type of expand-ability will there be?
I've actually had really good luck with Acer laptops. They are cheaper and in my case lasted for years. My mom still uses an Acer she bought 8 years ago. The chasis of this machine looks nice and solid, so at first glance this seems interesting, and I expect a higher price since this is a proper ultrabook.
Thicker, larger laptops will always be the pure price/performance winners, but what you're paying for is thinness and hopefully battery life with these, vs a few hours on a wal mart special at your half the price.
I think the problem is actually the pure conversion from €799, which includes VAT, to USD, which usually doesn't, I think that USD price may be wrong.
I entirely understand your sentiment. Thing is, the ability to swap means they have to put in a DIMM socket which in these form factors means space they don't have, some cover that can be openend and stuff that can break. So it's off the list on the commodity SKU.
And at current RAM prices, 16GB as a default puts you out of search-engine results and as an option duplicates your SKUs, while big-data research will show that nobody buys 16GB (well, mostly since you can't, right?).
Honestly, I'm expecting PoP RAM on x86 SoCs any day now, like they already do with phones, or better yet an HBM package for some extra iGPU Ooomph: The distinctions between "PC" and "phone" become pure form factor, less technology.
And running 4VMs with SAP HANA in a cluster of two won't really be a lot of fun on a 5Watt CPU anyway: You'll just have to resign yourself thinking of this as a tablet with a keyboard.
But with USB 3.1 or TB going multi-gigabits I am thinking that it's time to rethink "docking stations". We see external dGPU cases these days, what about external dAPU cases, which serve as desktop GPGPU accellerators to a device like this?
When you dock, your apps will migrate to the BIG node on the desktop while your little ones in your keyboard go to sleep until you undock: You can have extra RAM, x0Gbit network, plenty more CPU-GPU power on the dock, but suspend HANA, your HPC and your games when you undock, but leave the browser, the spreadsheet and the weekly report open and quite responsive enough even at 5 Watts of Skylake/Ryzen glory.
It might take a few tweaks in Windows, lots of systemd in Linux, but it's far from rocket science, really... Just in case iCompany attempts to patent this, remember this prior art ;-)
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ingwe - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
8 GB of ram max seems anemic for 2018. With laptops lasting longer I would want 16 GB.Dug - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
Not really, it matches the laptops other specs perfectly. This is a standard well equipped laptop for the 99.9% of public, not some workstation laptop. Even running Photoshop, web browsers, and some video at the same time, I never get to 8GB.megadirk - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
The bigger problem is that the starting price is $934 and the base model has only 4GB of RAM. That's a $1000 laptop after tax with the same amount of RAM that a laptop half its price would come with.iwod - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
I think something is not right because Swift 3 were suppose to be affordable. we will just have to wait till they actually release.MrSpadge - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
800€ includes a higher VAT than in the US. There it should be around 800$ after tax, +/-50$ depending on current exchange rate.iwod - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
Without the VAT is $778, and probably even cheaper because there are less consumer protection to account for in US. May be $749. Which is still *expensive* for a laptop that only comes with 4GB Memory.niva - Thursday, August 30, 2018 - link
Yeah, there are a lot of unknowns regarding this machine including the SSD it comes with because all we see is "up to 512 GB". I suspect the base model will come with 128GB SSD, what type of expand-ability will there be?I've actually had really good luck with Acer laptops. They are cheaper and in my case lasted for years. My mom still uses an Acer she bought 8 years ago. The chasis of this machine looks nice and solid, so at first glance this seems interesting, and I expect a higher price since this is a proper ultrabook.
tipoo - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
Thicker, larger laptops will always be the pure price/performance winners, but what you're paying for is thinness and hopefully battery life with these, vs a few hours on a wal mart special at your half the price.I think the problem is actually the pure conversion from €799, which includes VAT, to USD, which usually doesn't, I think that USD price may be wrong.
abufrejoval - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
I entirely understand your sentiment. Thing is, the ability to swap means they have to put in a DIMM socket which in these form factors means space they don't have, some cover that can be openend and stuff that can break. So it's off the list on the commodity SKU.And at current RAM prices, 16GB as a default puts you out of search-engine results and as an option duplicates your SKUs, while big-data research will show that nobody buys 16GB (well, mostly since you can't, right?).
Honestly, I'm expecting PoP RAM on x86 SoCs any day now, like they already do with phones, or better yet an HBM package for some extra iGPU Ooomph: The distinctions between "PC" and "phone" become pure form factor, less technology.
And running 4VMs with SAP HANA in a cluster of two won't really be a lot of fun on a 5Watt CPU anyway: You'll just have to resign yourself thinking of this as a tablet with a keyboard.
But with USB 3.1 or TB going multi-gigabits I am thinking that it's time to rethink "docking stations". We see external dGPU cases these days, what about external dAPU cases, which serve as desktop GPGPU accellerators to a device like this?
When you dock, your apps will migrate to the BIG node on the desktop while your little ones in your keyboard go to sleep until you undock: You can have extra RAM, x0Gbit network, plenty more CPU-GPU power on the dock, but suspend HANA, your HPC and your games when you undock, but leave the browser, the spreadsheet and the weekly report open and quite responsive enough even at 5 Watts of Skylake/Ryzen glory.
It might take a few tweaks in Windows, lots of systemd in Linux, but it's far from rocket science, really... Just in case iCompany attempts to patent this, remember this prior art ;-)