It seems that first display with Nano IPS (32UL950) was released just a year ago, and it had 4k panel. So panel for this monitor was made somewhat later, and given its refresh times, this is especially likely. Also, no wonder that DCI-P3 and G-Sync are going to be more expensive than sRGB and Freesync.
The LG branded monitor using this panel just launched a month or so ago. I mean, if you are saying LED backlit monitors are "old tech" then I guess, but this panel as far as I understand is actually new. You are basically paying $100 for the g-sync in this vs the Freesync LG.
Also, this is 98% of DCI-P3 which is wider than pretty much anything else out there right now.
Personally, I'd love to see this panel with some local dimming for true HDR, but other than that, this panel is the best 27" IPS out right now.
It is quite a pain to have to change brightness with every different software, or even every few minutes within the same application. Think going from a dark scenes to day scenes in a game or a movie and having to change the brightness back and forth. For people into photography, it is a must to be able to display both whites and blacks in the same image.
Do you really think people want to mash keys every time the scene changes in a game or movie? Really? And when people look at photos, are they to look at the dark areas, mash keys, then look at the light areas and mash keys again for the same photo? If you don't like HDR, that is fine, there are many many monitors for you. But some of us want to be able to see details in the dark images and light images at the same time.
I personally don't use my keyboard when watching Game of Thrones (I watch this show on my computer). I like to sit back and watch it. When it goes from dark indoor scenes to bright outdoor scenes, I certainly do not want to pause the show, go to my keyboard, change the brightness, and resume the show. If you haven't watched the show, it changes scene brightness drastically every few minutes.
Same thing with playing games. I personally don't want to die as I'm changing the brightness for the next area that I entered.
That said, my monitor requires me to use the buttons on the monitor. There are no function keys to even use in the first place.
This is such an unusual problem you've got and I think based on the way you're describing it, that you don't even personally experience it or feel the need to actually alter screen brightness on a regular basis like you're claiming.
But really, what do you have against being able to see details in both the light areas and the dark areas at the same time? What do you have against more colors, more brightness, and more contrast, all at the same time with the same cables and not really much more cost?
Game of Thrones is a single TV series. While it did get the interest of a lot of people, it's just one show and its not even in production at this point. I understand that it ended what a year or two ago? Sure if you're watching it now, I can understand it might be problematic, but are you personally actually experiencing this problem of having to adjust screen brightness? It's not something I've heard of anyone really feeling compelled to do so (though I don't want you to feel singled out) it seems like a bit of an exaggeration and, again, not something you're likely doing on a regular basis. As for assumptions about my personal feelings regarding color, brightness, and contrast, that seems inaccurate based on my previous comment about making brightness adjustments on the fly as a suggestion to help mitigate the problem in the situation you proposed. Nothing in that corrective action should lead you to the conclusion you're reaching at this point unless its solely to build a case that justifies a contentious response to said suggestion.
Before I had an HDR monitor, I did frequently change brightness, and it was a royal pain. Usually I just suffered through it if the brightness only needed to be changed for a short period, but I would change it as frequently as about every 10 minutes. It also didn't fully fix the issue. I am not the only one with the issue as I linked before and can link many other examples.
I generally just used a game mode which had a different set of color settings, then would toggle back and forth between that and normal mode. But repeated and frequent changing monitor settings can now be a thing of the past. Just buy an HDR monitor and see much better image quality without the hassles.
This is the kind of person who holds back the computer industry and community. Probably the same type of person who complained about SSDs, then NVMe SSDs, then Optane NVMe SSDs, complained about CPUs with more cores, RAM speed increases, motherboards with any kind of visual pleasing aesthetics, case designs, etc.
Well then, you're missing a lot. Too much to write here, go look up some info on HDR. For lack of a better analogy, HDR is to SDR what 16 bit sound is to 8 bit sound (and no, louder 8 bit sound is not the same as 16 bit sound).
This panel is around 88% of the Adobe RGB colour space (at least as benchmarked by my cheap colorimeter). My 9-year-old Dell U2711 had 94%. The colour on this panel is excellent, but hardly exceptional.
88% seems low. Were you testing the LG 27gl850? I mean, the real difference is that Adobe RGB has quite a bit more green and the DCI-P3 has a bit more red. The overlap is quite significant.
You are comparing W-CCFL backlight to LED. Which obviously is the reason for the discrepancy and likely the reason the market is moving toward DCI-P3. Ultimately the market will move in the direction of the displays in consumer hands.
If you want Adobe RGB with LED backlight you'll have to pony up.
The new Asus ProArt monitors are 99.5% Adobe RGB. If your color critical work requires Adobe there really aren't great modern options. If your monitor use is for general productivity, games, and movies I think a good DCI-P3 will serve better, no?
Personally, I have fingers crossed the AUO 1440p 27" panel with HDR600 actually comes out someday. It is listed at 165 Hz in Adobe RGB colorspace. Their other upcoming Adobe monitors are in the 99% range.
Yeah, the 27GL850. The colour here is more than sufficient for my needs, and quite accurate while calibrated. The contrast ratio is somewhat low, though. 770:1 post calibration.
Maybe we'll get something like that when Internet Explorer 4.0 is released. I'm thinking the new browser laying atop an advanced operating system like Windows 95 will permit those capabilities.
Finally a non-AUO (AKA no shitty QC), 144+ Hz, G-Sync, 1440p IPS monitor and you still complain with BS claims? Wow... No, this panel is very new. LGs monitor with it just released a few weeks ago. And what do those panels you mention have to do with this? This is not an AUO panel. This is not a FreeSync monitor. Its a genuine G-Sync monitor.
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Smell This - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
I like ViewSonic stuff but using late-2017 LG tech on late-2019 monitors with a $600 price tag is !$#@%^#! sheet.AND, not flaming, but the woods are full of 27-inch $350-$400 IPS panels with sRGB 99 percent Color Gamut and AMD FreeSync technology . . .
Smell This - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
It must be the RGB ambient lighting on the back (rolling eyes). It dang-sure is not the
USB 3.1 type-C...
skaurus - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
It seems that first display with Nano IPS (32UL950) was released just a year ago, and it had 4k panel. So panel for this monitor was made somewhat later, and given its refresh times, this is especially likely.Also, no wonder that DCI-P3 and G-Sync are going to be more expensive than sRGB and Freesync.
SmCaudata - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
The LG branded monitor using this panel just launched a month or so ago. I mean, if you are saying LED backlit monitors are "old tech" then I guess, but this panel as far as I understand is actually new. You are basically paying $100 for the g-sync in this vs the Freesync LG.Also, this is 98% of DCI-P3 which is wider than pretty much anything else out there right now.
Personally, I'd love to see this panel with some local dimming for true HDR, but other than that, this panel is the best 27" IPS out right now.
imaheadcase - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
I still don't get why people like HDR, i guess no one ever messes with brightness before on a monitor.SmCaudata - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Local dimming makes a huge difference. That white text on a black screen will no longer leave a stripe of dark gray.All it all, it brings visual quality closer to that of OLED with better brightness, lower cost, and without worry of burn in.
dullard - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
It is quite a pain to have to change brightness with every different software, or even every few minutes within the same application. Think going from a dark scenes to day scenes in a game or a movie and having to change the brightness back and forth. For people into photography, it is a must to be able to display both whites and blacks in the same image.PeachNCream - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Really? It's just a Fn key combination thing and takes a half second to hold the key down and then mash another key a couple of times to make changes.dullard - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Do you really think people want to mash keys every time the scene changes in a game or movie? Really? And when people look at photos, are they to look at the dark areas, mash keys, then look at the light areas and mash keys again for the same photo? If you don't like HDR, that is fine, there are many many monitors for you. But some of us want to be able to see details in the dark images and light images at the same time.PeachNCream - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Yes, I do think people use their keyboards constantly when interacting with their computers.dullard - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Nice way to dodge the questionsI personally don't use my keyboard when watching Game of Thrones (I watch this show on my computer). I like to sit back and watch it. When it goes from dark indoor scenes to bright outdoor scenes, I certainly do not want to pause the show, go to my keyboard, change the brightness, and resume the show. If you haven't watched the show, it changes scene brightness drastically every few minutes.
Same thing with playing games. I personally don't want to die as I'm changing the brightness for the next area that I entered.
That said, my monitor requires me to use the buttons on the monitor. There are no function keys to even use in the first place.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
This is such an unusual problem you've got and I think based on the way you're describing it, that you don't even personally experience it or feel the need to actually alter screen brightness on a regular basis like you're claiming.dullard - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
It isn't just me:https://mashable.com/article/game-of-thrones-too-d...
Or here:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/what-is-hdr-for-tvs-an...
But really, what do you have against being able to see details in both the light areas and the dark areas at the same time? What do you have against more colors, more brightness, and more contrast, all at the same time with the same cables and not really much more cost?
PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
Game of Thrones is a single TV series. While it did get the interest of a lot of people, it's just one show and its not even in production at this point. I understand that it ended what a year or two ago? Sure if you're watching it now, I can understand it might be problematic, but are you personally actually experiencing this problem of having to adjust screen brightness? It's not something I've heard of anyone really feeling compelled to do so (though I don't want you to feel singled out) it seems like a bit of an exaggeration and, again, not something you're likely doing on a regular basis. As for assumptions about my personal feelings regarding color, brightness, and contrast, that seems inaccurate based on my previous comment about making brightness adjustments on the fly as a suggestion to help mitigate the problem in the situation you proposed. Nothing in that corrective action should lead you to the conclusion you're reaching at this point unless its solely to build a case that justifies a contentious response to said suggestion.dullard - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
But brightness adjustments doesn't help with color or contrast. It only solves a small piece of the problem.And the last Game of Thrones DVD / Blu Ray has not yet been released (that will be Dec 3, 2019).
PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
So are you adjusting screen brightness every few minutes when changing applications, within applications, or as lighting in games change or not?dullard - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
Before I had an HDR monitor, I did frequently change brightness, and it was a royal pain. Usually I just suffered through it if the brightness only needed to be changed for a short period, but I would change it as frequently as about every 10 minutes. It also didn't fully fix the issue. I am not the only one with the issue as I linked before and can link many other examples.dullard - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
I generally just used a game mode which had a different set of color settings, then would toggle back and forth between that and normal mode. But repeated and frequent changing monitor settings can now be a thing of the past. Just buy an HDR monitor and see much better image quality without the hassles.dullard - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
If you honestly gave HDR a try, you would not be posting like you are posting. You would be an instant convert.CheapSushi - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
This is the kind of person who holds back the computer industry and community. Probably the same type of person who complained about SSDs, then NVMe SSDs, then Optane NVMe SSDs, complained about CPUs with more cores, RAM speed increases, motherboards with any kind of visual pleasing aesthetics, case designs, etc.bug77 - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Well then, you're missing a lot. Too much to write here, go look up some info on HDR.For lack of a better analogy, HDR is to SDR what 16 bit sound is to 8 bit sound (and no, louder 8 bit sound is not the same as 16 bit sound).
Guspaz - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
This panel is around 88% of the Adobe RGB colour space (at least as benchmarked by my cheap colorimeter). My 9-year-old Dell U2711 had 94%. The colour on this panel is excellent, but hardly exceptional.SmCaudata - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
88% seems low. Were you testing the LG 27gl850? I mean, the real difference is that Adobe RGB has quite a bit more green and the DCI-P3 has a bit more red. The overlap is quite significant.You are comparing W-CCFL backlight to LED. Which obviously is the reason for the discrepancy and likely the reason the market is moving toward DCI-P3. Ultimately the market will move in the direction of the displays in consumer hands.
If you want Adobe RGB with LED backlight you'll have to pony up.
The new Asus ProArt monitors are 99.5% Adobe RGB. If your color critical work requires Adobe there really aren't great modern options. If your monitor use is for general productivity, games, and movies I think a good DCI-P3 will serve better, no?
Personally, I have fingers crossed the AUO 1440p 27" panel with HDR600 actually comes out someday. It is listed at 165 Hz in Adobe RGB colorspace. Their other upcoming Adobe monitors are in the 99% range.
Guspaz - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
Yeah, the 27GL850. The colour here is more than sufficient for my needs, and quite accurate while calibrated. The contrast ratio is somewhat low, though. 770:1 post calibration.DanNeely - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
We can hope someone will figure out how to make an affordable rec2020 backlight. DCI-p3 and AdobeRGB are both fully contained in rec2020.https://www.displaydaily.com/images/2015/November/...
SmCaudata - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Here's the TFT Central Review https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_27gl850.ht...132% of sRGB. I'm not trying to be annoying, but wanted to correct it in case someone is scanning the comments.
DanNeely - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Not sure what you're correcting. sRGB isn't in the spec table, and the 98% DCI-P3 is a good match with the 97.5% TFT Central measured.SmCaudata - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Not correcting you.I was replying to a commenter (the first comment unfortunately) that brought up 99% of sRGB as comparison.
SmCaudata - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Ugh... not correcting the article I meant. This forum needs a 60 second edit timeout.PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
Maybe we'll get something like that when Internet Explorer 4.0 is released. I'm thinking the new browser laying atop an advanced operating system like Windows 95 will permit those capabilities.imaheadcase - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
THe woods are not full of 144 Hz (165Hz OC) IPS panels though...which is the point of this monitor.Beaver M. - Tuesday, October 1, 2019 - link
Finally a non-AUO (AKA no shitty QC), 144+ Hz, G-Sync, 1440p IPS monitor and you still complain with BS claims?Wow...
No, this panel is very new. LGs monitor with it just released a few weeks ago.
And what do those panels you mention have to do with this?
This is not an AUO panel.
This is not a FreeSync monitor. Its a genuine G-Sync monitor.
TheJian - Wednesday, October 2, 2019 - link
16:10 please. 27 or 30in. Will pay extra...LOL. Dell has one (30in), but no gsync and $1200.