"These chipsets offer better support for its Coffee Lake processors." - the 400-series chipsets are for Comet Lake not Coffee Lake - completely different CPU generation.
The interesting thing about Intel for a while has been that getting a second hand CPU for cheap was relatively easy, but then getting a compatible board is really expensive. I got my hands on a B250 Board a year ago, and it was more expensive than a B360 board was. I'm not going on the "AMD Good, Intel Bad" train here, but I can't deny that Intel is more of a "Buy and retire the CPU and Mainboard together, since you won't get a compatible replacement in the future" experience.
Well yeah, you're not wrong. The thing with the whole "compatibility" argument is the lifespan of CPUs today is FAR longer then it used to be. I was rocking a 3570k until two years ago, and never had issues with it. I only upgraded to use NVMe drives. If ivy bridge had NVMe support I'd likely still be using that 3570k.
Sure if you buy a Z390 board you are stuck with a 9700/9900k max and only PCIe 3.0, but given how long the core 2 duos remained relevant, some with PCIe 1.0 boards, in all likelyhood the 9th gen gaming chips will still be good for games for at least another 5 years, if not longer. So who cares if they cant run 10th or 11th gen processors? By the time you NEED an upgrade there will be PCIe 5.0 and we'll be on the 17th gen intel processors.
for taking responsibility NEED has to be balanced with environmental surroundings issues, employment/economical growth, power savings, waste/recycling/raw materials extraction or workflow efficiency and customer related latencies or services to provide for compatibility ... A desktop (that is 12/2020 42% share of a computing market world wide on 76% Windows (~75% Windows10, ~4% Windows8.1, ~18% Win7, ~0.8% WindowsXp), 17% MacOs, 1.9-1.7 Linux and ChromeOs, compared to increasing almost 56% mobiles, ~75-85%Android, ~15-25% iOS) for personal usage and support transforms more often into tablets/notepads, laptops/notebooks or smartphones to some extent and there's already lpddr5 and cpus/socs comparable to core i3? power/benchmark performance at least.
And on a side note, discontinuation of the 300-series platform is a bit sad. Now i don't know how much support we were getting out of Intel but in my case, Gigabyte has proven to be one of the laziest OEMs when it comes to board BIOS updates and whatnot. And it's the second time i've been duped by them. I don't favor AMD due to personal reasons but the more this shit happens, the more i feel pushed towards them.
ALL will support Rocket Lake- whether the board is built well enough to allow for PCIe4. My path was always Rocket Lake - so planned on waiting for the Z590s. Most boards will support PCIe4 on Z490 - Esp from major manufacturers - Gigabyte, Asus, etc.
That's why pcie 4.x boards (and/or Thunderbolt 4.x) and compatible chipsets will stay longer on market and updating cpu's will be a benefit market until ddr5 (and ecc) appears on consumer level mainboards? That needs a 3-4yrs periods rewarded recycling market for getting consumers on that pace? 400series will then be discontinued around 2024/2025?
Well since Alder Lake will take a LGA1700 board - and will be the main platform - and the 400 series will be phased out - 3-4 years support for a platform is about normal.
DDR5 will only be of benefit immediately if you are locked into JEDEC 3200 DDR4 - if you are on high frequency memory (4000+) then the 1st gen DDR5 will be at best a wash.
Intel marketing on their own language about their Evo® platform: "Verified to Blow You Away New 11th Gen Intel® Core™ processors and Intel® Iris® Xe graphics work together like never before to help you edit photos and videos 3 times faster than a 2-year old laptop"
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brookheather - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
"These chipsets offer better support for its Coffee Lake processors." - the 400-series chipsets are for Comet Lake not Coffee Lake - completely different CPU generation.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
Thanks! We didn't get our tea/coffee this morning, and it shows.Xajel - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
Don't worry, Intel naming is so much confusing even after coffee/tea.MenhirMike - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
"The most notable processors for the 300-series are the Core i7-8700K and Core i5-8600K"I'd add the i9-9900K to that list, together with a good Z390 board (VRMs!) it was the high end desktop to get for a while.
"then replaced with the 400-series, with a focus on Intel's 9th Generation Core processors"
Uhm... No. Z370 was 8th Gen (9th Gen with Bios update), Z390 was 9th Gen, 400 Series is 10th Gen.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
I'd say 9700k, it was much more affordable then a 9900k and the difference in games was minimal at best.MenhirMike - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
The interesting thing about Intel for a while has been that getting a second hand CPU for cheap was relatively easy, but then getting a compatible board is really expensive. I got my hands on a B250 Board a year ago, and it was more expensive than a B360 board was. I'm not going on the "AMD Good, Intel Bad" train here, but I can't deny that Intel is more of a "Buy and retire the CPU and Mainboard together, since you won't get a compatible replacement in the future" experience.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
Well yeah, you're not wrong. The thing with the whole "compatibility" argument is the lifespan of CPUs today is FAR longer then it used to be. I was rocking a 3570k until two years ago, and never had issues with it. I only upgraded to use NVMe drives. If ivy bridge had NVMe support I'd likely still be using that 3570k.Sure if you buy a Z390 board you are stuck with a 9700/9900k max and only PCIe 3.0, but given how long the core 2 duos remained relevant, some with PCIe 1.0 boards, in all likelyhood the 9th gen gaming chips will still be good for games for at least another 5 years, if not longer. So who cares if they cant run 10th or 11th gen processors? By the time you NEED an upgrade there will be PCIe 5.0 and we'll be on the 17th gen intel processors.
back2future - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
for taking responsibility NEED has to be balanced with environmental surroundings issues, employment/economical growth, power savings, waste/recycling/raw materials extraction or workflow efficiency and customer related latencies or services to provide for compatibility ...A desktop (that is 12/2020 42% share of a computing market world wide on 76% Windows (~75% Windows10, ~4% Windows8.1, ~18% Win7, ~0.8% WindowsXp), 17% MacOs, 1.9-1.7 Linux and ChromeOs, compared to increasing almost 56% mobiles, ~75-85%Android, ~15-25% iOS) for personal usage and support transforms more often into tablets/notepads, laptops/notebooks or smartphones to some extent and there's already lpddr5 and cpus/socs comparable to core i3? power/benchmark performance at least.
fogifds - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
Also Rocket Lake will be 14 nm, not 10 nm.erotomania - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
The sad thing about AnandTech these days is that I went into this article expecting the facts to be wrong. In that regard, I was not disappointed.liquid_c - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
This article was either written by someone when drunk or by someone new at Anandtech who has no damn clue about the subject at hand.liquid_c - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
And on a side note, discontinuation of the 300-series platform is a bit sad. Now i don't know how much support we were getting out of Intel but in my case, Gigabyte has proven to be one of the laziest OEMs when it comes to board BIOS updates and whatnot. And it's the second time i've been duped by them. I don't favor AMD due to personal reasons but the more this shit happens, the more i feel pushed towards them.Deicidium369 - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
I have only used Gigabyte - and have no had an issues - especially with BIOS for say the 370 to allow Coffee Lake -sad that you see yourself as duped ...
Koenig168 - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
No problem with Gigabyte providing BIOS updates for my current AX370 Aorus Gaming 7 or previous Z370 Aorus Gaming 7. Quite prompt, in fact.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
No issues here with my gigabyte z390 ultra. Rock stable with all the features I paid for.Exotica - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
Umm, 400 series motherboards aka LGA1200 are not Coffee Lake... they’re comet lake, and some will support upcoming Rocket Lake. Please correct.Deicidium369 - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
ALL will support Rocket Lake- whether the board is built well enough to allow for PCIe4. My path was always Rocket Lake - so planned on waiting for the Z590s. Most boards will support PCIe4 on Z490 - Esp from major manufacturers - Gigabyte, Asus, etc.back2future - Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - link
That's why pcie 4.x boards (and/or Thunderbolt 4.x) and compatible chipsets will stay longer on market and updating cpu's will be a benefit market until ddr5 (and ecc) appears on consumer level mainboards? That needs a 3-4yrs periods rewarded recycling market for getting consumers on that pace?400series will then be discontinued around 2024/2025?
Deicidium369 - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
Well since Alder Lake will take a LGA1700 board - and will be the main platform - and the 400 series will be phased out - 3-4 years support for a platform is about normal.DDR5 will only be of benefit immediately if you are locked into JEDEC 3200 DDR4 - if you are on high frequency memory (4000+) then the 1st gen DDR5 will be at best a wash.
back2future - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
Intel marketing on their own language about their Evo® platform:"Verified to Blow You Away
New 11th Gen Intel® Core™ processors and Intel® Iris® Xe graphics work together like never before to help you edit photos and videos 3 times faster than a 2-year old laptop"
should be something added to this?
back2future - Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - link
correction: Evo™worldnewsnow - Friday, March 12, 2021 - link
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