2x16GB at 6400 is expected 2x32GB at 5600 is faster than expected
I thought that DDR5 was able to store more profiles? I find it odd that they are marketed as being AMD optimized, if they can contain optimized settings for both Intel and AMD.
It doesn't really seem like overclocking if you can just enable it with "one click" now does it? What it seems like is memory performance left off the table for the sole purpose of feeding the need for someone to be able to get more from their purchase which is purely an appeal to the emotional needs of the buyer and has little to do with memory performance.
Computer overclocking at this point is a very curated experience with an OEM-controlled markup on the price that doesn't result in substantial gains in terms of cost vs performance. It merely gives people the sense that they're getting something additional by purchasing premium parts and people that can't see that have their horse blinders up.
You're not a very attentive reader. That's a good skill to develop if you're going to attempt to post a contrarian opinion. Work on it and get back to me later.
It's odd to me that the mobo and DRAM makers are not making these products available for purchase now. I suspect this is as requested by AMD. As with most new CPU architecture releases this will frustrate consumers to no end when they are unable to actually purchase all items necessary to build a new system on the release date. It would appear that the mobo makers have had plenty of time to produce stock and that they are planning to release AM5 mobos in every conceivable configuration. While this is nice there must be a better means to serve consumers than this arrangement.
Why is it odd? You do remember we're coming out of a global pandemic, as well as ongoing political tensions. Never mind what climate change is doing to the system. It's amazing anything is still working.
Care to expand? I built systems with AMD specific Corsair modules without issue on ASUS motherboards, 3200Mhz on B450/Zen+ and 3600Mhz on B550/Zen2. Stable from day one to present.
We definitely need a new RAM module design, smaller in size but more dense as well. Moving from 1x 64bit in DDR4 to 2x 32bit in DDR5 helps in this route.
And M.2 also needs a new format, sitting flat on the motherboard is taking so much space, motherboard makers had to enlarge the motherboards and cut corners just to add more M.2 Slots.
I meant for desktop, even the SODIMM needs to be changed. The current design also mounts flat on the motherboard, requiring extra Z-Height, with the industry move towards thinner laptops, any new design should allow it to be mounted to the side of the PCB, on the same level of the motherboard. I guess Dell made something close, and published its spec to the JEDEC to make it open.
SODIMM can be mounted vertically. Asrock X299E-ITX/ac, for example, had 4x SODIMM slots for a LGA2011 socket that doesn't normally work with SODIMM.
Oh, and for M.2, they can be shrunk down to 2230 sizes, which is what a lot of low end OEM laptops come with. The reason why most companies use 2280, is because 2230 m.2 SSDs tend to be slow. M.2 can even be mounted on riser cards, or mounted vertically, just like RAM.
I bought some DDR5 RAM in anticipation of either Raptor Lake or Zen 4. Am I leaving significant performance on the table by not getting one of these new EXPO rated kits? I got a 2x16GB DDR5600 36-36-36-36-76 kit, that is XMP 3.0.
If you manually tune your timings... no problem. But you don´t get the optimal values automatically, like when using EXPO rated kits. But all in all. No point of buying DDR5 memory before hand because it is getting better and cheaper all the time!
I'm sure you're right, but I opted to buy a few parts before the launch in case demand for certain items peaks around the first new AMD CPU socket in 4+ years. Maybe prices would have dropped slightly over the next month, but I doubt I lost much money, and conversely, if availability around the launch is worse than it is now, i might have saved money. Either way probably not too big of a deal.
Very usefull. In the past you did have to manually tinker timings to get best of AMD cpus. Now you get the same automatically. Easier to normal customers!
Yes, there is a story here and a good one. What Intel and AMD are doing is unethical, maybe even questionably legal. They profit by advertising a desirable feature and conveniently void the warranty if you use the feature. Intel used to offer a warranty for it for a modest cost, and now they do not even offer that. As far as I know, AMD has always taken the low road. It is unfortunate Intel has followed in their footsteps.
This is about as ludicrous as saying if you buy a high performance car and drive over the speed limit the warranty will be automatically voided if the car breaks down for any reason. If you over-rev the engine and blow it up, that might not be covered under warranty and shouldn't be, but the warranty on the car is not voided.
Until they straighten up and fly right, the only solutions are to purchase a Square Trade warranty, or return the favor of acting dodgy and just deny having overclocked the CPU or RAM if you need an RMA. I literally just went through this with Intel on a 12900KS that had a memory channel that stopped working. I confirmed it was the CPU because the problem followed the CPU when tested in three motherboards. Like an idiot, I was honest when they asked if I had overclocked the CPU or memory. There is no reason to believe that had anything to do with the failure. They immediately denied the RMA and said the warranty was void. Next time I won't be honest... tit for tat. Fool me once... won't happen again.
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meacupla - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
2x16GB at 6400 is expected2x32GB at 5600 is faster than expected
I thought that DDR5 was able to store more profiles? I find it odd that they are marketed as being AMD optimized, if they can contain optimized settings for both Intel and AMD.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
It doesn't really seem like overclocking if you can just enable it with "one click" now does it? What it seems like is memory performance left off the table for the sole purpose of feeding the need for someone to be able to get more from their purchase which is purely an appeal to the emotional needs of the buyer and has little to do with memory performance.Computer overclocking at this point is a very curated experience with an OEM-controlled markup on the price that doesn't result in substantial gains in terms of cost vs performance. It merely gives people the sense that they're getting something additional by purchasing premium parts and people that can't see that have their horse blinders up.
supdawgwtfd - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
It is overclocking.Anything above JEDEC is overclocking regardless of your opinion.
StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
I think the point he is trying to convey is that "overclocking" was just taking any old part and running it beyond it's original specification.Where-as this is more like slapping an extra price-premium on top for the privilege.
Flunk - Friday, September 2, 2022 - link
I'd argue that overclocking is really only running parts above the manufacturer specs. E.G. Running DDR4 3000 rated DIMMs at 3600Mhz.Khanan - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
It does improve memory performance a lot, so you’re wrong there as well.PeachNCream - Thursday, September 1, 2022 - link
You're not a very attentive reader. That's a good skill to develop if you're going to attempt to post a contrarian opinion. Work on it and get back to me later.Techie2 - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
It's odd to me that the mobo and DRAM makers are not making these products available for purchase now. I suspect this is as requested by AMD. As with most new CPU architecture releases this will frustrate consumers to no end when they are unable to actually purchase all items necessary to build a new system on the release date. It would appear that the mobo makers have had plenty of time to produce stock and that they are planning to release AM5 mobos in every conceivable configuration. While this is nice there must be a better means to serve consumers than this arrangement.Threska - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
Why is it odd? You do remember we're coming out of a global pandemic, as well as ongoing political tensions. Never mind what climate change is doing to the system. It's amazing anything is still working.Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
I find it utterly moronic that DRAM is sold based on specifications only achievable by voiding the warranty on one of your most valuable components.Threska - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
Ahem, like CPUs?supdawgwtfd - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
Run JEDEC speeds then.StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
Then there is no point paying extra?inighthawki - Thursday, September 1, 2022 - link
Then dont pay extra and buy yourself a 2400 kitDougMcC - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
Do they seriously void the warranty for using a feature advertised on the box? That'd be a legal nono in the USA.mr_tawan - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
It's specified in one product's box, and it void the warranty of the other product. I don't think that's illegal?DougMcC - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
Oh the CPU warranty is what's voided?Makaveli - Tuesday, August 30, 2022 - link
Lets hope corsair DDR5 modules are better. I avoided there memory on AM4 due to many reported compatibility issues.BushLin - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
Care to expand? I built systems with AMD specific Corsair modules without issue on ASUS motherboards, 3200Mhz on B450/Zen+ and 3600Mhz on B550/Zen2. Stable from day one to present.Jeff72 - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
So what official max speed DDR5 does the new Ryzen 7000 support? What is the best non-RGB memory for it then?haukionkannel - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
The optimal speed is DDR5 6000. But i don´t know what is the official highest supported speed. Most likely above 6000...Xajel - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
We definitely need a new RAM module design, smaller in size but more dense as well. Moving from 1x 64bit in DDR4 to 2x 32bit in DDR5 helps in this route.And M.2 also needs a new format, sitting flat on the motherboard is taking so much space, motherboard makers had to enlarge the motherboards and cut corners just to add more M.2 Slots.
meacupla - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
We have those. They are called SODIMMXajel - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
I meant for desktop, even the SODIMM needs to be changed. The current design also mounts flat on the motherboard, requiring extra Z-Height, with the industry move towards thinner laptops, any new design should allow it to be mounted to the side of the PCB, on the same level of the motherboard. I guess Dell made something close, and published its spec to the JEDEC to make it open.meacupla - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
SODIMM can be mounted vertically.Asrock X299E-ITX/ac, for example, had 4x SODIMM slots for a LGA2011 socket that doesn't normally work with SODIMM.
Oh, and for M.2, they can be shrunk down to 2230 sizes, which is what a lot of low end OEM laptops come with. The reason why most companies use 2280, is because 2230 m.2 SSDs tend to be slow.
M.2 can even be mounted on riser cards, or mounted vertically, just like RAM.
tijag - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
I bought some DDR5 RAM in anticipation of either Raptor Lake or Zen 4. Am I leaving significant performance on the table by not getting one of these new EXPO rated kits? I got a 2x16GB DDR5600 36-36-36-36-76 kit, that is XMP 3.0.haukionkannel - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
If you manually tune your timings... no problem. But you don´t get the optimal values automatically, like when using EXPO rated kits.But all in all. No point of buying DDR5 memory before hand because it is getting better and cheaper all the time!
tijag - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
I'm sure you're right, but I opted to buy a few parts before the launch in case demand for certain items peaks around the first new AMD CPU socket in 4+ years. Maybe prices would have dropped slightly over the next month, but I doubt I lost much money, and conversely, if availability around the launch is worse than it is now, i might have saved money. Either way probably not too big of a deal.Khanan - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
It will probably function just fine.haukionkannel - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
Very usefull. In the past you did have to manually tinker timings to get best of AMD cpus. Now you get the same automatically. Easier to normal customers!Khanan - Wednesday, August 31, 2022 - link
Uhm no, these memory chips will still be tunable, they are not “perfect” out of the box, so in that regard nothing will change.Oxford Guy - Monday, September 5, 2022 - link
Wake up, Anandtech.There is an article here:
‘undervolting AMD processors and memory,’
Explain to your readers, if you can, how AMD is justified in voiding warranties based on that.
Doesn’t anyone think this a bit odd… worthy of an article that isn’t a press release repackaged?
Mr. Fox - Thursday, September 8, 2022 - link
Yes, there is a story here and a good one. What Intel and AMD are doing is unethical, maybe even questionably legal. They profit by advertising a desirable feature and conveniently void the warranty if you use the feature. Intel used to offer a warranty for it for a modest cost, and now they do not even offer that. As far as I know, AMD has always taken the low road. It is unfortunate Intel has followed in their footsteps.This is about as ludicrous as saying if you buy a high performance car and drive over the speed limit the warranty will be automatically voided if the car breaks down for any reason. If you over-rev the engine and blow it up, that might not be covered under warranty and shouldn't be, but the warranty on the car is not voided.
Until they straighten up and fly right, the only solutions are to purchase a Square Trade warranty, or return the favor of acting dodgy and just deny having overclocked the CPU or RAM if you need an RMA. I literally just went through this with Intel on a 12900KS that had a memory channel that stopped working. I confirmed it was the CPU because the problem followed the CPU when tested in three motherboards. Like an idiot, I was honest when they asked if I had overclocked the CPU or memory. There is no reason to believe that had anything to do with the failure. They immediately denied the RMA and said the warranty was void. Next time I won't be honest... tit for tat. Fool me once... won't happen again.