I was reading your article, and one part that is slightly incorrect:
When you use Goggles and look at buildings, but do not actually take the picture...the tags you see at the bottom of the screen are based off your GPS position and compass..it's not doing any image recognition of the scene until you take the pic...
"I honestly doubt if there are many folks who are on the fence between the two."
Consumers respond very well to marketing and if the comparison of Incredible to iPhone came down to what you've stated,
1. UI 2. Flexibility 3. Apps
Then it's great. However, your review of the iPhone, in comparison to this review, has all the "ooohh.....aahhhh" associated with it. Little as it may seem, not to Apples awesome marketing team mind you, your review will persuade some consumers to go for the iPhone instead of others regardless of the factors listed.
Please do a respectable tech review and leave your personal opinions and comments for a section dedicated to that purpose. Judging by this review I say the phone stinks mainly because there's not cheering from you. We do respect you, I've followed you since you started the site. I don't like the bias "ohh...ahhs" that comes with the reviews.
A lot of my excitement over the original iPhone has to do with the fact that it was first to deliver the things that made me go ooh and ahh. I'd argue the same is true about Android with features like Goggles. Only Palm has really impressed me in the same manner since then.
What I was trying to say with that statement is that if a user plays with both devices they'll quickly figure out which type of person they. The two platforms are very polarizing it seems. As I mentioned in the Nexus One Review, there are folks who are totally unimpressed by the iPhone and others who are very disappointed by Android. It largely has to do with the differing approaches to UI design and role the smartphone plays in their respective corporate strategies.
I stand by my original statement. I believe those who like the iPhone won't find any Android device a suitable replacement. While those who are frustrated by the iPhone's limitations wouldn't dream of anything other than an Android.
I'm holding back excitement on that one until we see the right combination of hardware/software. But yes, MeeGo could be very good (not to mention forthcoming Palm/HP stuff).
Nokia so far managed to blew everything it's got including the super-widespread, #1 OS of the world Symbian - years after years of clueless mismanagement and still nothing from Nokia.
Nokia is a mess, they just started the third reorganization in 12 months or so... completely clueless MESS and their main dev head just left them recently.
It's Android, people, nothing else - Symbian is waaay behind especially if you consider the breakneck speed Google is developing Android, iPhone and Apple in general is rapidly becoming completely irrelevant especially when Flash won't even work in it. The only question is WebOS - now that HP is behind Palm we might get some surprise competition for Android: real innovation instead of fake re-badging efforts at ripoff prices a' la Apple.
Hi Anand, thanks for a great review and contrary to the opinion of 'TheOne' please feel free to express your feelings regarding products. I have read your site for many years, just like 'TheOne' but unlike him I have come to recognise you as someone with intelligence and a good eye for design flair who understands that sometimes the best expression of recognition of design excellence is exactly an ooh or ah.
I'm a fan of TopGear, the UK car program. I can just imagine the Soviet dullness that would ensue were 'TheOne' to exercise an editorial veto. The show would flounder in a morass of directives on equal time, exactly duplicated lighting and monotone intonation of spec sheets. I also found his request that you do a 'respectable' review an uncalled for snipe.
It was obvious to any reader that you were enthused about the iPhone because it pushed forward mobile phone OS design significantly. It is also obvious that AnandTech has a number of readers that have difficulty coming to terms with a revitalised Apple corporation and respond to any positive comment with partisan angst. The DailyTech news site you link to unfortunately still thinks its 1990 and regularly trolls for clicks with headlines designed to bait flaming. The result is all to obvious in the ensuing comments.
So, please don't make your reviews lifelessly unemotional. Express pleasure... express surprise. It means something to your readers that someone who spends so much time using the latest products is occasionally moved to pleasure by the competence of designers or developers. Product designers are not driven to greatness by spec. sheet competition. They only achieve it when they attempt to delight. Jonathan Ive, Apple's designer, regularly repeats that he is as proud of what he leaves out of products as what he has included. It is something that you, Anand, obviously understand. I suspect Ive repeats it as often as he does because there are still so many, raised in the Windows 'just add a buggy new feature, break the old format, and call it a new version' years who do not.
We are in a new era in which design excellence and not the politics and skulduggery of format wars is becoming essential. Reviews expressing sincere pleasure or disappointment are entirely appropriate to such a market and provide the kind of feedback that manufacturers and developers need in recognition of their efforts. How on earth can one quantify elegance in terms of grams or bytes? I felt the need to confirm to you that you do have readers who understand your emoting such things.
Actually we've had one for a while in the form of the N900 which has had full Flash support from the start, it can load the likes of Farmville/Mafia Wars fine although it can be a bit sluggish
Anand, one thing you left out of your review which is really important to me with regards to Nexus vs Incredible is the charging/docking pins. I love being able to just slide my Nexus into the desktop charger without plugging anything in. I know it's a minor detail but that's a big feature for me coming from Blackberry hardware. Makes using the phone as an alarm clock possible.
New as it may be, I still think the Legend looks better. It has many of the features mentioned here but a much more beautiful (one piece aluminum) body. OK it has a trackball, which I happen to like, though I do wonder what to do if dirt gets in.
"3G performance was better on the Incredible than on the AT&T Nexus One."
Did you mean T-mobile instead of AT&T? I was under the impression that the N1 is set up for T-Mobile's 3G network only. If you used it with an AT&T SIM you would only have EDGE data speeds (no 3G).
"There’s still no way to delete multiple emails at once, no way to copy/paste from an email and no way to search through emails stored on an IMAP server other than Gmail. Imperfect much?"
I hope I'm not wrong: but isn't it the exact same mail app as in the HTC Desire. There is a GMAIL App and a MAIL app. You CAN copy/paste from the normal Mail app and you CAN delete multiple messages from the standard Mail app.
I'm on a Nexus One here and I can delete multiple emails at once in the Gmail app. Just tap on the check mark (to the left of the email title) for each email you want to delete. On the bottom of the screen, a delete button automatically pops up. Tap it--done.
Copy-and-paste works only if you're editing an email.
But can you delete multiple emails in the standard Mail app? I haven't been able to find a way to do this. In fact, deleting emails is a bit of a pain as there's no swipe to delete. You have to hit the confirmation box for every message you delete.
I set up the regular mail app just to test. It's exactly the same thing as in the gmail app: you hit those little, greyed out check marks to the left of the email subject. After checking the first message, on the bottom of the screen, the virtual buttons "Mark read," "Add star," and "Delete" appears. Again, the is on the Nexus One (with stock firmware). No troubles deleting multiple emails at once at all...
Works the same on my Motorola Droid. In the list of e-mails, just touch the check boxes of the ones you want to delete, then select the delete button. When you touch the first check box, the "Mark read", "star", and "delete buttons pop up at the bottom of the screen.
I've had the Moto Droid for about 4 months now and have found the standard e-mail app just works, at least with my business mail server ( Postfix using TLS and user authentication, Dovecot using IMAP / TLS, both on standard ports). Incoming e-mails show up in the notification bar and you can define a ring tone for them. HTML e-mail works just fine.
FWIW, I too was confused as to how to delete multiple e-mails at first. It was so simple it alluded me. :)
Tap Mail. Tap Menu. Tap Delete. That allows me to use checkboxes to delete multiple emails at once. This is from my HTC Incredible using the defautl Mail app on the Home screen.
I know you didn't officially review it, but I would like to see the Motorola Droid in these comparisons. I know it's older, but it's the one that "started it all" for android being a real iPhone competitor, and there are a LOT more people using with Droid's than with Nexus One's. Plus the hardware differentiates itself much more from the Incredible than the N1 (different manufacturer, different processor, RAM/ROM specs, ETC).
I believe HTC does have an app called HTC Sync which does do Outlook syncing. I am not sure if it is available for the Droid Incredible but it is worth a shot. You should be able to get from HTC's website.
That works. I was able to sync my Legend with Outlook. You can download the app or even pull it from the SD-card that came with the phone (it should be on there). See website for instructions. It's really easy.
I'm front France and typing this message from.my HTC desire.
I saw It's going to be out this summer only in usa, however it is already out in Europe. It adds HTC sense to the same hardware base of the nexus one and addingvsome other things.
Some websites loved it and I'd love to see you guys review it comparing to those two Android based smartphones.
Not sure if this is what you meant, but you can copy/paste in e-mails using the default mail client. I didn't try from the widget (removed that widget in fact), but if you enter an e-mail, just press and hold and it will highlight. You can move around to extend the highlight and when you release you'll have three context buttons. The first of these allows you to "copy" (later to paste). Also you enter the "expose" view by pressing the home button when on the home screen: at least my optical button doesn't pull it up...
How well does this one do on App space? Friend of mine had (I believe) the Nexus One and they reached a point where they couldn't put any more Apps on it. They were told you couldn't run them from the msdcard. It was only for Music & Pictures.
Is there anything stopping the N1 from eventually including the improvements made by HTC? As an N1 owner, I'm a little disapppointed that my device is "almost there" in several key areas, notably the touch screen, keyboard input and overall smoothness. Enough to make me consider hoccing it on ebay and picking up the incredible once it supports GSM in Canada.
It seems a lot of what differentiates the inredible from the N1 could technically run on the N1 (besides the improved touchscreen, if there is indeed a hardware difference there).
If you don't mind rooting it and voiding the warranty, you can flash a Sense ROM unto it (visit MoDaCo) which basically gives you all of HTC's software improvements... The touch sensor on the Incredible and Droid are still better than the N1's tho (when it comes to multi-touch anyway, which I don't think has much to do w/any of Anand's issues which he usually described a issues of responsiveness or accuracy).
I doubt there's gonna be a GSM Incredible, the Desire would be it's GSM equivalent, basically a Nexus One with Sense, an extra hole for the speakerphone, and a touchpad instead of a trackball.
"I’d say that HTC’s added polish is a real benefit. It makes me wonder why Google doesn’t do some of this on its own."
Google fails in this way with almost everything they put their hands to. I like their stuff, really, I do. But Google sometimes seems to have a major case of ADD --every product would be awesome, if it had a bit more polish, or additional support, or some bugs fixed, or a feature people have been asking for for xx amount of time.
We have Google Apps for Domains where I work. The problem is, half of Google's neat software toys for GMail and individual users won't work the moment you have your own custom domain --GMail Notifier is a good example, as are some other apps. Or, you have to figure out ways to make them work that aren't well-documented. By the time I'm done, I want to pull my hair out. Don't even get me started on how Chrome is --it's a great browser that was designed with absolutely no regard for use in the enterprise.
Other than their search engine, Google Maps, and perhaps Google Earth, so many things seem like something an excited kid started working on, got halfway there, and then walked away from to start something else. I wish they could concentrate on getting what they have going --there are some 65-85% projects that would just be insanely cool if they were ever fully baked.
As you didn't mention it, not sure you are aware, but there is no 3G voice in Verizon. Voice and test messages are always carried over the 1x network, while other data uses 3G. Thought this might be relevant to your battery life tests.
One thing to note on battery life is that these phones are multitasking. The iPhone 3GS may have a better task management interface, I don't know. But the Droids come without one, more or less, so that's not saying much. If you didn't kill all the unneeded tasks on the HTC, then who knows what it was running during your battery tests. Was the camera active? The lack of a decent task manager is a glaring omission on the Droids, but there are good task management apps available as free downloads. In any case, the battery tests should be performed with only the necessary apps running (on both iPhone and HTC).
While I would like to comment on the other features of this phone, the one thing that absolutely burns me up is this fake LED "flash," crap.
True “flash:” Xe (true) flash provides ~400 times the light output, better light distribution, much longer range, color temperatures match closer to natural sunlight, and much sharper image capture… The only problem with Xe is simply that, it “flashes,” and thus it’s not continuous like an LED, which hinders low-light videos, esp with these tiny+crappy lens provided in most phones. There needs to be a combo of both; each of which serves a dedicated purpose much better than the other. Xe gobbles power if it’s continuous, LEDs; not so much. I’m not going to spend this much on a phone, while it still comes with antiquated technological features, in which people put to use just as much, if not more than they talk on the dang things.
People use these phones as daily replacements for point-&-shoot, dedicated digi-cams... so this issue is NOT some tiny "inconvenience" as it seems. If the camera/video SUCKS, it's a big deal as many people have actually replaced their P&S cams with their phones for everyday use or don't really use their P&Ss very much at all vs their phone.
A real flash is also rather thick compared to the little LEDs used in these phones. I wouldn't be surprised if the flash assembly in the average P&S is as thick as the Incredible. So I imagine someday someone will make a phone that can really compete with decent P&S cameras, and for all I know Nokia does now (not available on Verizon so I really don't care) but the Incredible's image quality isn't nearly a match for even an average P&S so I don't think the lack of a real flash is exactly a deal-breaker for most.
PRIVACY: These new “smarter,” aka modernized PPCs are going to be the DOOM of us all. Everyone seems to think all these scannable pic/bar-code/GPS features are so “convenient,” UNTIL future legislation comes about allowing misc corp + govt agencies to directly link to your phone and read/view everything you’re doing. They’ll use it to track you (how did Apple find the guy, so fast, that had the alleged “stolen” aka lost, 4G Iphone? Apple actually sent “AGENTS” to his dorm, then the police magically raided Chen’s house soon afterwards) and soon tax you based on where you are. Etc… __I want to see more in-depth reporting about the major privacy issues that these (and esp future) phones present. What about LSO/DOM “super cookies,” and *.sol (FLASH based) files that hold tons of data (1-100K!) about where you’ve been browsing etc? What about sites tracking you with these phones etc. I mean, since they are basically pocket-PCs, who knows wtf “they” are doing with all this data you are voluntarily (in ignorance) revealing to them? These phones are inadvertently creating active profiles of any and all users that use them. Don’t you think that all of this immensely private data would be extremely valuable to private corps/govt? Data-miners, marketing, advertising, police and law enforcement agencies, the NSA, the government at a large would LOVE to know where you are, what you’re doing, with who you are with etc. All of this tracking data is extra-ordinarily valuable to said agencies and many more. __These days tracking and profiling large groups of consumers is worth millions of dollars to corps/private groups as it provides near exact future estimations about how populations move, when and where they go, why they go, what motivates them etc. If you can accurately and consistently (there are super computers that are designed to PREDICT all of this with enough input data) predict all of the above (and more) you can essentially design products, marketing and advertising schemes around this data, to then constantly feed and predict what the general (or smaller sub-groups) consumer populous will do in and if certain situations arise…. The MILITARY is very, very, very interested in this kind of data, as it directly applies to wartime strategy.
People please take this stuff very seriously, the “internet” is the “wild-west,” and as we know, there’s many a predator and parasite out there waiting for you to feed them with your info and “profile.” Do you really think these groups wouldn’t attempt to subvert or pay off politicians/controllers of industry for said data? It’s happened before in the past and it’s happening right now as we speak. Hell the FBI can turn your phone into a GPS/audio/video BUGGING device, even if your phone is turned “off,” but the battery is still in. Who says they aren’t doing it now with out legal consent; A La the NSA ILLEGAL, warrantless wire-tapping scandal (which is STILL active today). __Yeah-yeah I know, “well if you’re not doing anything ‘wrong,’ then what do you have to hide…” That’s presumed GUILT of action(s)… this is supposedly a “free” nation, but in reality who’s “free,” if unknown entities can track and trace your every move, on-demand, with-out notice/warrant? This is nothing more than a silent version of "Papiere, Bitte" (translation: "Papers, Please”), minus an authority asking you; these phones just GIVE them your “papers,” with out fuss…
How about this scenario: Law enforcement mistakenly taps your phone, b/c you and some alleged “terrorist,” have the same name and thus you’re on some “list,” that you don’t even know about. Since you’re now on this “list,” “they” can DOWNLOAD ALL of your pictures, files and info from your phone, courtesy of the Patriot Act-I and II. HAHA yep, they can take everything that’s considered “private” to you, view/listen/read it, and then determine if you’re a “treat.” If you’re not, *shrug* so be it, they ignore you, BUT someone else now is in possession of YOUR pictures/identity/”profile.” Do you trust “them” to honestly delete said info after the secret investigation is complete? I don’t, and I don’t want people having the ability to do so with out presenting ME with a legal warrant etc.
Anand please take this issue seriously, as it uncovers very serious privacy concerns, much more so than what’s on your home computer… Haven’t any of you ever found a lost cel-phone and taken a look inside; of course some of you have, and you know that someone’s phone can provide you so much more info about this person and their likes, dislikes; it’s like a txt/video, mini-dairy of their behavior/associations with their peers etc. Very unnerving to say the least… Be smart folks before you jump on the band-wagon.
Seriously though, this type of thing is a concern in any internet activity if that's your thing. If the gov't is going to allow access to phones, the same could be said for landline ISPs. If you are really concerned, don't use these services.
Tin foil LMFAO dude you're in pure ignorance to say the least... GOOGLE it then if you don't seem to follow the NEWS reports of this happening to people daily. Damn I love how the ignorant among the populous loves to chime in, when in reality you don't know crap about history nor of the misdeeds of this and other governments/law enforcement around the globe.
The only person that's crazy or UNINFORMED is you buddy... You've already made a fool out of yourself; GOOGLE THE info I've posted, then please report back so we can see just how much you are out of touch with.
How about Operation Northwoods? The Gulf of Tonkin? The Tuskegee project? The sinking of the Lusitania?... Oh SHIT guess what; ALL of these are DECLASSIFIED government operations designed to DEFRAUD the public for financial and political gain... YOU are the ignorant FOOL as these are FACTS and indisputable lmao. Damn the mass public is so stupid and brainwashed lol... But we know what history has in store for deniers of reality like you; naked, starving and soon to be dumped in a mass grave lol... Enjoy the dirt, dunce...
Here take a read and educate yourself boy-flounder:
Because one of his roommates called the Police and told them where he was and what he had. But wait a minute, maybe the roommate is a mole planted by the CIA to keep tabs on the guy! Yeah, that's the ticket.
*Sigh...* I hate to go off topic like this, but you obviously lack the ability to keep an open-mind/think for yourself... So here goes kid...
"how did Apple find the guy, so fast"
Because one of his roommates called the Police and told them where he was and what he had. But wait a minute, maybe the roommate is a mole planted by the CIA to keep tabs on the guy! Yeah, that's the ticket.
-------------- How did the room mate know that it was "stolen," or that anything else was (assumed) wrong with the legality of phone, why would he assume? Just what would lead someone's (fucked up) roommate to purposefully call the police on someone who had a snazzy looking phone? There's much more detail to the story that's not being told... Why would the police get a search warrant over a “LOST” phone; remember there’s ZERO proof the phone was stolen in the 1st place. It’s 1 person’s word over another’s, and that doesn’t garner a very costly and hastily produced search warrant (they usually take many days to weeks to get, unless the crime was very serious; which it’s not, b/c there’s no proof of a crime committed, it’s still HEARSAY at that point in time, DUH?!).
Hrmm… so the roommate thought, "man WTF I'll show him, for having that cool looking new phone, I’ll fscking call the cops, yeah they’ll come get him!” I'll completely wreck any kind of peaceful/civility I might have had with my now sworn enemy… Yeah I’m going to believe that… either way, so what if it turns out that my assertions about that particular detail of the alleged “crime,” (again there’s no proof he actually “stole:” as in he purposefully took the phone, while knowing it belonged to someone at the establishment; read the idiot engineer’s statement; it was LOST, then reported “stolen,” to cover his own ass.) __Okay so back to the point… ZOMG I proposed a scenario and might have been wrong… that MUST mean that the rest of my points and presented evidence is also wiped clean b/c of this newly found minute details of the case… The differences between (apparently) you and I are; I THINK, I ask more depth questions to a story that doesn’t even make legal sense, nor adds up to common sense… Then again I’m actually opened-minded and not another beak-fed nestling that’ll take whatever crap momma-mass-media will regurgitate down my throat. LOL!
SEARCH those cases then come back talking smack; b/c in FACT they are nothing but FACTS from your own government, dunce… Apparently you’re not well versed in political history at all. Anyone that knows a shred of anything about the law, politics and or who thinks for themselves, knows the credibility and historical documentation of “the government,” that it as a ruling institution is deceitful, controlling, and authoritarian. Never mind, you’re obviously too zombified by games, TV and mass-media, to do your own simple fact checking/research. Enjoy your life serf/pleb/commoner…
Anand, thanks for the great review. I'd heard some negative things about the Sense UI interface from dedicated iPhone users that made me a little concerned, but you've helped me stay excited about the interface and Android in general. I'd be excited about this phone, too, except that I know the EVO is coming out this summer. I really hope you can review it also, to see if they fix some of the problems you noted with this one.
I had purchased a Droid Incredible last week. However, it has this unpleasant problem with the optical joystick. It simply activates itself and randomly flicks the screen and moves the cursor around while typing in fields. The flicking even happens when the phone is left on a flat surface and nothing is near it. It basically made the phone unusable. I had the phone replaced three times over the weekend and all of them had the same problem.
I really wanted to like the Incredible. It was a solid phone. However, I moved over to Verizon from AT&T to get the phone and because of number portability, I can't go back to my old phone and decided to downgrade to the Motorola Droid. It's a shame, but I won't attempt the Incredible again until I've got some level of certainty that the problem with the optical joystick is fixed.
In order to obtain a better look at how an individual phone's hardware effects the speed of the web page loading, you should use the same browser on all devices, namely Opera Mini, to reduce one of the variables and get a better result.
Hey Anand love the review. I was under the impression that the iPhone 3GS only had 256MB RAM. I believe that's what iFixit determined it to be. I just wanted some clarification since in one of your comparison tables you have it listed as having 512MB of RAM. Thanks
What we need are phones that will simply work on any network we choose to connect to. Having seen the variety of CDMA/GSM combo phones available, esp from Verizon, this has got to be possible. I want to buy the best phone possible, and use it with the best carrier possible, or even be able to easily switch carriers and phones however I want. The carriers have entirely too much control over the devices we spend money on and how we are allowed to use them. The carriers also seem to be way too interested in using phones and subsidies to compete, rather than competing on the quality of their network and service they provide.
Some points on the N1/Incredible comparison:
Animations: In the review it was mentioned that the Incredible seems more responsive because of UI tweaks, especially eliminating some of the animations. The N1 lets has a setting for animations that gives you a choice of all, some or no animations. It is one of the first things I changed on the phone, and it does make it much more responsive.
Delete Multiple Emails: Both GMail and the regular Email app have check boxes next to the emails for batch operations. Both provide batch deletes, Gmail provides for Archive and Labels, Email provides for Mark Unread and Add Stars.
Case Design. Overall I like both the N1 and the Incredible. The front of the Incredible looks fantastic, but the back of the Incredible looks unfinished. While the N1 may seem bland in comparison, to me it seems rather elegant both in design and construction.
Controls: The N1 is the first phone, including the iPhone, that I have been able to use a touch screen keyboard on. The iPhone keyboard is not informative enough for me. I dislike the fact that it displays caps when in lowercase mode. Multi touch functionality on the keyboard is a non issue for me. And then there is always the Swype keyboard replacement. Trackball versus Optical Joystic - On the one hand, I like the light up trackball, and hopefully we will get multi color notifications with Froyo. On the other hand I am concerned about it's long term reliability, if it is anything like the Blackberry trackballs which tend to get flaky after some use. I like the solid state optical joystick for it's no moving parts to fail design. What I would ideally like is a optical joystick that protrudes a bit like the track ball so I can feel it, and also lights up like the track ball.
UI Design: I love HTC Sense, and I also love the straight Google Experience phones. What I would love even more is, that when Froyo comes out and modularizes the Android OS, that we could get whatever shell or skin we want, on any Android Phone, or remove it to get the Google Experience. After all, it should be our choice. I would love for HTC to make Sense available on the Android Market, even for a cost at that point. Would it not be great to be able to get the latest Android Updates without concern for whatever shell is installed, or going forward be able to get the latest updates to Sense without having to root the phone?
I am disappointed that the N1 will not be available on more networks. I was hoping that there would be at least one phone that I like, that would be available on all the major carriers.
On a final note, carriers need to stop customizing their smartphones. They just have no clue how badly they are screwing them up. Admittedly you could always load a ROM of your choice, but that is not for everybody. My last phone was an AT&T Tilt2. Lets start with over 30MB of unusable, uninstallable, game demos. REALLY? On what is advertised to be a premium business class smartphone? And we used to be able to bypass the AT&T customization script, and they "fixed" that on this phone. But before anyone says something about AT&T, I have seen this sort of thing on all the carriers smartphones, and Verizon in particular is known to lock some of their phones features so you can only use them with their pay for services. Don't get me started.
I have both the HTC Incredible and the Apple IPhone 3gs. My conclution is that Apple is more sophisticated but the Incredible is more fun to work with.
I had a Blackberry for 2 yrs b4 converting to the Incredible & even then it took me a few weeks to decide if I really wanted to go back to a touch screen ( I had a Samsung Glyde, the 1st touch screen VZW came out w/ & it was horrible). Now I am sooo glad I did, because I love it.
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Loser - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
There is something wrong with the weight you have noted there130 g (3.6 oz) 130 g (4.6 oz)
Both 130g? :)
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Woops, fixed. Thank you :)puffpio - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
I was reading your article, and one part that is slightly incorrect:When you use Goggles and look at buildings, but do not actually take the picture...the tags you see at the bottom of the screen are based off your GPS position and compass..it's not doing any image recognition of the scene until you take the pic...
But it's still cool nonetheless
The0ne - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
"I honestly doubt if there are many folks who are on the fence between the two."Consumers respond very well to marketing and if the comparison of Incredible to iPhone came down to what you've stated,
1. UI
2. Flexibility
3. Apps
Then it's great. However, your review of the iPhone, in comparison to this review, has all the "ooohh.....aahhhh" associated with it. Little as it may seem, not to Apples awesome marketing team mind you, your review will persuade some consumers to go for the iPhone instead of others regardless of the factors listed.
Please do a respectable tech review and leave your personal opinions and comments for a section dedicated to that purpose. Judging by this review I say the phone stinks mainly because there's not cheering from you. We do respect you, I've followed you since you started the site. I don't like the bias "ohh...ahhs" that comes with the reviews.
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
A lot of my excitement over the original iPhone has to do with the fact that it was first to deliver the things that made me go ooh and ahh. I'd argue the same is true about Android with features like Goggles. Only Palm has really impressed me in the same manner since then.What I was trying to say with that statement is that if a user plays with both devices they'll quickly figure out which type of person they. The two platforms are very polarizing it seems. As I mentioned in the Nexus One Review, there are folks who are totally unimpressed by the iPhone and others who are very disappointed by Android. It largely has to do with the differing approaches to UI design and role the smartphone plays in their respective corporate strategies.
I stand by my original statement. I believe those who like the iPhone won't find any Android device a suitable replacement. While those who are frustrated by the iPhone's limitations wouldn't dream of anything other than an Android.
Take care,
Anand
teohhanhui - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
"While those who are frustrated by the iPhone's limitations wouldn't dream of anything other than an Android."There are those who are looking forward to MeeGo...
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
I'm holding back excitement on that one until we see the right combination of hardware/software. But yes, MeeGo could be very good (not to mention forthcoming Palm/HP stuff).Take care,
Anand
T2k - Thursday, May 13, 2010 - link
MeeGooo? Pleahhhhse.Nokia so far managed to blew everything it's got including the super-widespread, #1 OS of the world Symbian - years after years of clueless mismanagement and still nothing from Nokia.
Nokia is a mess, they just started the third reorganization in 12 months or so... completely clueless MESS and their main dev head just left them recently.
It's Android, people, nothing else - Symbian is waaay behind especially if you consider the breakneck speed Google is developing Android, iPhone and Apple in general is rapidly becoming completely irrelevant especially when Flash won't even work in it.
The only question is WebOS - now that HP is behind Palm we might get some surprise competition for Android: real innovation instead of fake re-badging efforts at ripoff prices a' la Apple.
The0ne - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Well said.sebmel - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
Hi Anand, thanks for a great review and contrary to the opinion of 'TheOne' please feel free to express your feelings regarding products. I have read your site for many years, just like 'TheOne' but unlike him I have come to recognise you as someone with intelligence and a good eye for design flair who understands that sometimes the best expression of recognition of design excellence is exactly an ooh or ah.I'm a fan of TopGear, the UK car program. I can just imagine the Soviet dullness that would ensue were 'TheOne' to exercise an editorial veto. The show would flounder in a morass of directives on equal time, exactly duplicated lighting and monotone intonation of spec sheets. I also found his request that you do a 'respectable' review an uncalled for snipe.
It was obvious to any reader that you were enthused about the iPhone because it pushed forward mobile phone OS design significantly. It is also obvious that AnandTech has a number of readers that have difficulty coming to terms with a revitalised Apple corporation and respond to any positive comment with partisan angst. The DailyTech news site you link to unfortunately still thinks its 1990 and regularly trolls for clicks with headlines designed to bait flaming. The result is all to obvious in the ensuing comments.
So, please don't make your reviews lifelessly unemotional. Express pleasure... express surprise. It means something to your readers that someone who spends so much time using the latest products is occasionally moved to pleasure by the competence of designers or developers. Product designers are not driven to greatness by spec. sheet competition. They only achieve it when they attempt to delight. Jonathan Ive, Apple's designer, regularly repeats that he is as proud of what he leaves out of products as what he has included. It is something that you, Anand, obviously understand. I suspect Ive repeats it as often as he does because there are still so many, raised in the Windows 'just add a buggy new feature, break the old format, and call it a new version' years who do not.
We are in a new era in which design excellence and not the politics and skulduggery of format wars is becoming essential. Reviews expressing sincere pleasure or disappointment are entirely appropriate to such a market and provide the kind of feedback that manufacturers and developers need in recognition of their efforts. How on earth can one quantify elegance in terms of grams or bytes? I felt the need to confirm to you that you do have readers who understand your emoting such things.
Keep up the good work.
rpmurray - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
So, now that we have a smartphone with Flash, how well does it play those Flash games like Farmville?Johnmcl7 - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Actually we've had one for a while in the form of the N900 which has had full Flash support from the start, it can load the likes of Farmville/Mafia Wars fine although it can be a bit sluggishJaybus - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
Motorola Droid also does Flash.coburn_c - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
qualcomm scorpion?pookguy88 - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Anand, one thing you left out of your review which is really important to me with regards to Nexus vs Incredible is the charging/docking pins. I love being able to just slide my Nexus into the desktop charger without plugging anything in. I know it's a minor detail but that's a big feature for me coming from Blackberry hardware. Makes using the phone as an alarm clock possible.cfaalm - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
New as it may be, I still think the Legend looks better. It has many of the features mentioned here but a much more beautiful (one piece aluminum) body. OK it has a trackball, which I happen to like, though I do wonder what to do if dirt gets in.homebredcorgi - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
"3G performance was better on the Incredible than on the AT&T Nexus One."Did you mean T-mobile instead of AT&T? I was under the impression that the N1 is set up for T-Mobile's 3G network only. If you used it with an AT&T SIM you would only have EDGE data speeds (no 3G).
secretanchitman - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
google sells a version of the nexus one with AT&T 3G bands now :)homebredcorgi - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Bah! Completely forgot about that...having no advertising campaign to speak of certainly hasn't helped my memory. Thanks for the correction.Pirks - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
"And we all know how that worked out for the PC OEMs; they ship a ton of systems and Apple makes all the money."I and reader1 love you Anand! Keep it up man :) Your reviews are the best, as always.
Chloiber - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
"If you want to quickly see what’s on all of your home screens just press the optical joystick and you’ll zoom out to see all five screens at once."Five? Really? ;)
Chloiber - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Sorry, still no edit.But:
"There’s still no way to delete multiple emails at once, no way to copy/paste from an email and no way to search through emails stored on an IMAP server other than Gmail. Imperfect much?"
I hope I'm not wrong: but isn't it the exact same mail app as in the HTC Desire. There is a GMAIL App and a MAIL app. You CAN copy/paste from the normal Mail app and you CAN delete multiple messages from the standard Mail app.
jasperjones - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
+1I'm on a Nexus One here and I can delete multiple emails at once in the Gmail app. Just tap on the check mark (to the left of the email title) for each email you want to delete. On the bottom of the screen, a delete button automatically pops up. Tap it--done.
Copy-and-paste works only if you're editing an email.
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
But can you delete multiple emails in the standard Mail app? I haven't been able to find a way to do this. In fact, deleting emails is a bit of a pain as there's no swipe to delete. You have to hit the confirmation box for every message you delete.Take care,
Anand
jasperjones - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Anand,I set up the regular mail app just to test. It's exactly the same thing as in the gmail app: you hit those little, greyed out check marks to the left of the email subject. After checking the first message, on the bottom of the screen, the virtual buttons "Mark read," "Add star," and "Delete" appears. Again, the is on the Nexus One (with stock firmware). No troubles deleting multiple emails at once at all...
Jaybus - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
Works the same on my Motorola Droid. In the list of e-mails, just touch the check boxes of the ones you want to delete, then select the delete button. When you touch the first check box, the "Mark read", "star", and "delete buttons pop up at the bottom of the screen.I've had the Moto Droid for about 4 months now and have found the standard e-mail app just works, at least with my business mail server ( Postfix using TLS and user authentication, Dovecot using IMAP / TLS, both on standard ports). Incoming e-mails show up in the notification bar and you can define a ring tone for them. HTML e-mail works just fine.
FWIW, I too was confused as to how to delete multiple e-mails at first. It was so simple it alluded me. :)
geniekid - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Tap Mail. Tap Menu. Tap Delete. That allows me to use checkboxes to delete multiple emails at once. This is from my HTC Incredible using the defautl Mail app on the Home screen.jaydee - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Anand,I know you didn't officially review it, but I would like to see the Motorola Droid in these comparisons. I know it's older, but it's the one that "started it all" for android being a real iPhone competitor, and there are a LOT more people using with Droid's than with Nexus One's. Plus the hardware differentiates itself much more from the Incredible than the N1 (different manufacturer, different processor, RAM/ROM specs, ETC).
Thanks,
Jim
jaydee - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Also, there's an app called PDAnet. $30 one time charge for unlimited data via USB. Why even bother with Verizon's own version for $25-30/month?secret99 - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
I don't think the Nexus has 8 GB of storage. Just FYI.rcc - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
As I read the review, the commercial that came to mind was "it's just like a xerox" from back in the 80s.and then, but not quite as good........
Anyway, I'm looking for a smartphone update, but a clean sync with Outlook is still a requirement. Who does it other than WinMo so far??
xenon2009 - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
I believe HTC does have an app called HTC Sync which does do Outlook syncing. I am not sure if it is available for the Droid Incredible but it is worth a shot. You should be able to get from HTC's website.cfaalm - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
That works. I was able to sync my Legend with Outlook. You can download the app or even pull it from the SD-card that came with the phone (it should be on there). See website for instructions. It's really easy.gregounech - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Hey anand guys!I'm front France and typing this message from.my HTC desire.
I saw It's going to be out this summer only in usa, however it is already out in Europe. It adds HTC sense to the same hardware base of the nexus one and addingvsome other things.
Some websites loved it and I'd love to see you guys review it comparing to those two Android based smartphones.
Please.review it...
Regards, Gregounech a French addict to anandtech!
cgalyon - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Not sure if this is what you meant, but you can copy/paste in e-mails using the default mail client. I didn't try from the widget (removed that widget in fact), but if you enter an e-mail, just press and hold and it will highlight. You can move around to extend the highlight and when you release you'll have three context buttons. The first of these allows you to "copy" (later to paste). Also you enter the "expose" view by pressing the home button when on the home screen: at least my optical button doesn't pull it up...GlobleWarmingisbunk - Monday, May 10, 2010 - link
Anand,How Does the HTC Incredible compare to the Eris as far as performance.
I noticed that you did not review Eris, like you did with the Nexus One.
Thanks.
GregANDTCH - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
How well does this one do on App space? Friend of mine had (I believe) the Nexus One and they reached a point where they couldn't put any more Apps on it. They were told you couldn't run them from the msdcard. It was only for Music & Pictures.safcman84 - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
or can we expect a a new HTC phone in Europe as well?Cheers
IKeelU - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
Is there anything stopping the N1 from eventually including the improvements made by HTC? As an N1 owner, I'm a little disapppointed that my device is "almost there" in several key areas, notably the touch screen, keyboard input and overall smoothness. Enough to make me consider hoccing it on ebay and picking up the incredible once it supports GSM in Canada.It seems a lot of what differentiates the inredible from the N1 could technically run on the N1 (besides the improved touchscreen, if there is indeed a hardware difference there).
Impulses - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
If you don't mind rooting it and voiding the warranty, you can flash a Sense ROM unto it (visit MoDaCo) which basically gives you all of HTC's software improvements... The touch sensor on the Incredible and Droid are still better than the N1's tho (when it comes to multi-touch anyway, which I don't think has much to do w/any of Anand's issues which he usually described a issues of responsiveness or accuracy).I doubt there's gonna be a GSM Incredible, the Desire would be it's GSM equivalent, basically a Nexus One with Sense, an extra hole for the speakerphone, and a touchpad instead of a trackball.
LoneWolf15 - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
"I’d say that HTC’s added polish is a real benefit. It makes me wonder why Google doesn’t do some of this on its own."Google fails in this way with almost everything they put their hands to. I like their stuff, really, I do. But Google sometimes seems to have a major case of ADD --every product would be awesome, if it had a bit more polish, or additional support, or some bugs fixed, or a feature people have been asking for for xx amount of time.
We have Google Apps for Domains where I work. The problem is, half of Google's neat software toys for GMail and individual users won't work the moment you have your own custom domain --GMail Notifier is a good example, as are some other apps. Or, you have to figure out ways to make them work that aren't well-documented. By the time I'm done, I want to pull my hair out. Don't even get me started on how Chrome is --it's a great browser that was designed with absolutely no regard for use in the enterprise.
Other than their search engine, Google Maps, and perhaps Google Earth, so many things seem like something an excited kid started working on, got halfway there, and then walked away from to start something else. I wish they could concentrate on getting what they have going --there are some 65-85% projects that would just be insanely cool if they were ever fully baked.
strikeback03 - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
As you didn't mention it, not sure you are aware, but there is no 3G voice in Verizon. Voice and test messages are always carried over the 1x network, while other data uses 3G. Thought this might be relevant to your battery life tests.strikeback03 - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
test messages should be text messages, of courseJaybus - Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - link
One thing to note on battery life is that these phones are multitasking. The iPhone 3GS may have a better task management interface, I don't know. But the Droids come without one, more or less, so that's not saying much. If you didn't kill all the unneeded tasks on the HTC, then who knows what it was running during your battery tests. Was the camera active? The lack of a decent task manager is a glaring omission on the Droids, but there are good task management apps available as free downloads. In any case, the battery tests should be performed with only the necessary apps running (on both iPhone and HTC).v12v12 - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
While I would like to comment on the other features of this phone, the one thing that absolutely burns me up is this fake LED "flash," crap.True “flash:” Xe (true) flash provides ~400 times the light output, better light distribution, much longer range, color temperatures match closer to natural sunlight, and much sharper image capture… The only problem with Xe is simply that, it “flashes,” and thus it’s not continuous like an LED, which hinders low-light videos, esp with these tiny+crappy lens provided in most phones. There needs to be a combo of both; each of which serves a dedicated purpose much better than the other. Xe gobbles power if it’s continuous, LEDs; not so much. I’m not going to spend this much on a phone, while it still comes with antiquated technological features, in which people put to use just as much, if not more than they talk on the dang things.
People use these phones as daily replacements for point-&-shoot, dedicated digi-cams... so this issue is NOT some tiny "inconvenience" as it seems. If the camera/video SUCKS, it's a big deal as many people have actually replaced their P&S cams with their phones for everyday use or don't really use their P&Ss very much at all vs their phone.
strikeback03 - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
A real flash is also rather thick compared to the little LEDs used in these phones. I wouldn't be surprised if the flash assembly in the average P&S is as thick as the Incredible. So I imagine someday someone will make a phone that can really compete with decent P&S cameras, and for all I know Nokia does now (not available on Verizon so I really don't care) but the Incredible's image quality isn't nearly a match for even an average P&S so I don't think the lack of a real flash is exactly a deal-breaker for most.v12v12 - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
PRIVACY: These new “smarter,” aka modernized PPCs are going to be the DOOM of us all. Everyone seems to think all these scannable pic/bar-code/GPS features are so “convenient,” UNTIL future legislation comes about allowing misc corp + govt agencies to directly link to your phone and read/view everything you’re doing. They’ll use it to track you (how did Apple find the guy, so fast, that had the alleged “stolen” aka lost, 4G Iphone? Apple actually sent “AGENTS” to his dorm, then the police magically raided Chen’s house soon afterwards) and soon tax you based on where you are. Etc…__I want to see more in-depth reporting about the major privacy issues that these (and esp future) phones present. What about LSO/DOM “super cookies,” and *.sol (FLASH based) files that hold tons of data (1-100K!) about where you’ve been browsing etc? What about sites tracking you with these phones etc. I mean, since they are basically pocket-PCs, who knows wtf “they” are doing with all this data you are voluntarily (in ignorance) revealing to them? These phones are inadvertently creating active profiles of any and all users that use them. Don’t you think that all of this immensely private data would be extremely valuable to private corps/govt? Data-miners, marketing, advertising, police and law enforcement agencies, the NSA, the government at a large would LOVE to know where you are, what you’re doing, with who you are with etc. All of this tracking data is extra-ordinarily valuable to said agencies and many more.
__These days tracking and profiling large groups of consumers is worth millions of dollars to corps/private groups as it provides near exact future estimations about how populations move, when and where they go, why they go, what motivates them etc. If you can accurately and consistently (there are super computers that are designed to PREDICT all of this with enough input data) predict all of the above (and more) you can essentially design products, marketing and advertising schemes around this data, to then constantly feed and predict what the general (or smaller sub-groups) consumer populous will do in and if certain situations arise…. The MILITARY is very, very, very interested in this kind of data, as it directly applies to wartime strategy.
People please take this stuff very seriously, the “internet” is the “wild-west,” and as we know, there’s many a predator and parasite out there waiting for you to feed them with your info and “profile.” Do you really think these groups wouldn’t attempt to subvert or pay off politicians/controllers of industry for said data? It’s happened before in the past and it’s happening right now as we speak. Hell the FBI can turn your phone into a GPS/audio/video BUGGING device, even if your phone is turned “off,” but the battery is still in. Who says they aren’t doing it now with out legal consent; A La the NSA ILLEGAL, warrantless wire-tapping scandal (which is STILL active today).
__Yeah-yeah I know, “well if you’re not doing anything ‘wrong,’ then what do you have to hide…” That’s presumed GUILT of action(s)… this is supposedly a “free” nation, but in reality who’s “free,” if unknown entities can track and trace your every move, on-demand, with-out notice/warrant? This is nothing more than a silent version of "Papiere, Bitte" (translation: "Papers, Please”), minus an authority asking you; these phones just GIVE them your “papers,” with out fuss…
How about this scenario: Law enforcement mistakenly taps your phone, b/c you and some alleged “terrorist,” have the same name and thus you’re on some “list,” that you don’t even know about. Since you’re now on this “list,” “they” can DOWNLOAD ALL of your pictures, files and info from your phone, courtesy of the Patriot Act-I and II. HAHA yep, they can take everything that’s considered “private” to you, view/listen/read it, and then determine if you’re a “treat.” If you’re not, *shrug* so be it, they ignore you, BUT someone else now is in possession of YOUR pictures/identity/”profile.” Do you trust “them” to honestly delete said info after the secret investigation is complete? I don’t, and I don’t want people having the ability to do so with out presenting ME with a legal warrant etc.
Anand please take this issue seriously, as it uncovers very serious privacy concerns, much more so than what’s on your home computer… Haven’t any of you ever found a lost cel-phone and taken a look inside; of course some of you have, and you know that someone’s phone can provide you so much more info about this person and their likes, dislikes; it’s like a txt/video, mini-dairy of their behavior/associations with their peers etc. Very unnerving to say the least… Be smart folks before you jump on the band-wagon.
strikeback03 - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
Tin foil is on aisle 3.Seriously though, this type of thing is a concern in any internet activity if that's your thing. If the gov't is going to allow access to phones, the same could be said for landline ISPs. If you are really concerned, don't use these services.
v12v12 - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
Tin foil LMFAO dude you're in pure ignorance to say the least... GOOGLE it then if you don't seem to follow the NEWS reports of this happening to people daily. Damn I love how the ignorant among the populous loves to chime in, when in reality you don't know crap about history nor of the misdeeds of this and other governments/law enforcement around the globe.The only person that's crazy or UNINFORMED is you buddy... You've already made a fool out of yourself; GOOGLE THE info I've posted, then please report back so we can see just how much you are out of touch with.
How about Operation Northwoods? The Gulf of Tonkin? The Tuskegee project? The sinking of the Lusitania?... Oh SHIT guess what; ALL of these are DECLASSIFIED government operations designed to DEFRAUD the public for financial and political gain... YOU are the ignorant FOOL as these are FACTS and indisputable lmao. Damn the mass public is so stupid and brainwashed lol... But we know what history has in store for deniers of reality like you; naked, starving and soon to be dumped in a mass grave lol... Enjoy the dirt, dunce...
Here take a read and educate yourself boy-flounder:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/archiv...
Laugh now genius.
rpmurray - Monday, May 17, 2010 - link
"how did Apple find the guy, so fast"Because one of his roommates called the Police and told them where he was and what he had. But wait a minute, maybe the roommate is a mole planted by the CIA to keep tabs on the guy! Yeah, that's the ticket.
v12v12 - Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - link
*Sigh...* I hate to go off topic like this, but you obviously lack the ability to keep an open-mind/think for yourself... So here goes kid..."how did Apple find the guy, so fast"
Because one of his roommates called the Police and told them where he was and what he had. But wait a minute, maybe the roommate is a mole planted by the CIA to keep tabs on the guy! Yeah, that's the ticket.
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How did the room mate know that it was "stolen," or that anything else was (assumed) wrong with the legality of phone, why would he assume? Just what would lead someone's (fucked up) roommate to purposefully call the police on someone who had a snazzy looking phone? There's much more detail to the story that's not being told... Why would the police get a search warrant over a “LOST” phone; remember there’s ZERO proof the phone was stolen in the 1st place. It’s 1 person’s word over another’s, and that doesn’t garner a very costly and hastily produced search warrant (they usually take many days to weeks to get, unless the crime was very serious; which it’s not, b/c there’s no proof of a crime committed, it’s still HEARSAY at that point in time, DUH?!).
Hrmm… so the roommate thought, "man WTF I'll show him, for having that cool looking new phone, I’ll fscking call the cops, yeah they’ll come get him!” I'll completely wreck any kind of peaceful/civility I might have had with my now sworn enemy… Yeah I’m going to believe that… either way, so what if it turns out that my assertions about that particular detail of the alleged “crime,” (again there’s no proof he actually “stole:” as in he purposefully took the phone, while knowing it belonged to someone at the establishment; read the idiot engineer’s statement; it was LOST, then reported “stolen,” to cover his own ass.)
__Okay so back to the point… ZOMG I proposed a scenario and might have been wrong… that MUST mean that the rest of my points and presented evidence is also wiped clean b/c of this newly found minute details of the case… The differences between (apparently) you and I are; I THINK, I ask more depth questions to a story that doesn’t even make legal sense, nor adds up to common sense… Then again I’m actually opened-minded and not another beak-fed nestling that’ll take whatever crap momma-mass-media will regurgitate down my throat. LOL!
SEARCH those cases then come back talking smack; b/c in FACT they are nothing but FACTS from your own government, dunce… Apparently you’re not well versed in political history at all. Anyone that knows a shred of anything about the law, politics and or who thinks for themselves, knows the credibility and historical documentation of “the government,” that it as a ruling institution is deceitful, controlling, and authoritarian. Never mind, you’re obviously too zombified by games, TV and mass-media, to do your own simple fact checking/research. Enjoy your life serf/pleb/commoner…
artifex - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
Anand, thanks for the great review. I'd heard some negative things about the Sense UI interface from dedicated iPhone users that made me a little concerned, but you've helped me stay excited about the interface and Android in general. I'd be excited about this phone, too, except that I know the EVO is coming out this summer. I really hope you can review it also, to see if they fix some of the problems you noted with this one.LaughingTarget - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
I had purchased a Droid Incredible last week. However, it has this unpleasant problem with the optical joystick. It simply activates itself and randomly flicks the screen and moves the cursor around while typing in fields. The flicking even happens when the phone is left on a flat surface and nothing is near it. It basically made the phone unusable. I had the phone replaced three times over the weekend and all of them had the same problem.I really wanted to like the Incredible. It was a solid phone. However, I moved over to Verizon from AT&T to get the phone and because of number portability, I can't go back to my old phone and decided to downgrade to the Motorola Droid. It's a shame, but I won't attempt the Incredible again until I've got some level of certainty that the problem with the optical joystick is fixed.
Someguyperson - Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - link
Anand,In order to obtain a better look at how an individual phone's hardware effects the speed of the web page loading, you should use the same browser on all devices, namely Opera Mini, to reduce one of the variables and get a better result.
-Zach
Shawn C. - Thursday, May 13, 2010 - link
Hey Anand love the review. I was under the impression that the iPhone 3GS only had 256MB RAM. I believe that's what iFixit determined it to be. I just wanted some clarification since in one of your comparison tables you have it listed as having 512MB of RAM. ThanksT2k - Thursday, May 13, 2010 - link
...like any other modern phone that embraces mobile-digital lifestyle - a one megabit link is simply just way too slow for that.falko2904 - Friday, May 14, 2010 - link
What we need are phones that will simply work on any network we choose to connect to. Having seen the variety of CDMA/GSM combo phones available, esp from Verizon, this has got to be possible. I want to buy the best phone possible, and use it with the best carrier possible, or even be able to easily switch carriers and phones however I want. The carriers have entirely too much control over the devices we spend money on and how we are allowed to use them. The carriers also seem to be way too interested in using phones and subsidies to compete, rather than competing on the quality of their network and service they provide.Some points on the N1/Incredible comparison:
Animations: In the review it was mentioned that the Incredible seems more responsive because of UI tweaks, especially eliminating some of the animations. The N1 lets has a setting for animations that gives you a choice of all, some or no animations. It is one of the first things I changed on the phone, and it does make it much more responsive.
Delete Multiple Emails: Both GMail and the regular Email app have check boxes next to the emails for batch operations. Both provide batch deletes, Gmail provides for Archive and Labels, Email provides for Mark Unread and Add Stars.
Case Design. Overall I like both the N1 and the Incredible. The front of the Incredible looks fantastic, but the back of the Incredible looks unfinished. While the N1 may seem bland in comparison, to me it seems rather elegant both in design and construction.
Controls: The N1 is the first phone, including the iPhone, that I have been able to use a touch screen keyboard on. The iPhone keyboard is not informative enough for me. I dislike the fact that it displays caps when in lowercase mode. Multi touch functionality on the keyboard is a non issue for me. And then there is always the Swype keyboard replacement. Trackball versus Optical Joystic - On the one hand, I like the light up trackball, and hopefully we will get multi color notifications with Froyo. On the other hand I am concerned about it's long term reliability, if it is anything like the Blackberry trackballs which tend to get flaky after some use. I like the solid state optical joystick for it's no moving parts to fail design. What I would ideally like is a optical joystick that protrudes a bit like the track ball so I can feel it, and also lights up like the track ball.
UI Design: I love HTC Sense, and I also love the straight Google Experience phones. What I would love even more is, that when Froyo comes out and modularizes the Android OS, that we could get whatever shell or skin we want, on any Android Phone, or remove it to get the Google Experience. After all, it should be our choice. I would love for HTC to make Sense available on the Android Market, even for a cost at that point. Would it not be great to be able to get the latest Android Updates without concern for whatever shell is installed, or going forward be able to get the latest updates to Sense without having to root the phone?
I am disappointed that the N1 will not be available on more networks. I was hoping that there would be at least one phone that I like, that would be available on all the major carriers.
On a final note, carriers need to stop customizing their smartphones. They just have no clue how badly they are screwing them up. Admittedly you could always load a ROM of your choice, but that is not for everybody. My last phone was an AT&T Tilt2. Lets start with over 30MB of unusable, uninstallable, game demos. REALLY? On what is advertised to be a premium business class smartphone? And we used to be able to bypass the AT&T customization script, and they "fixed" that on this phone. But before anyone says something about AT&T, I have seen this sort of thing on all the carriers smartphones, and Verizon in particular is known to lock some of their phones features so you can only use them with their pay for services. Don't get me started.
Falko
bobny1 - Monday, July 26, 2010 - link
I have both the HTC Incredible and the Apple IPhone 3gs. My conclution is that Apple is more sophisticated but the Incredible is more fun to work with.coolfx35 - Saturday, October 2, 2010 - link
I had a Blackberry for 2 yrs b4 converting to the Incredible & even then it took me a few weeks to decide if I really wanted to go back to a touch screen ( I had a Samsung Glyde, the 1st touch screen VZW came out w/ & it was horrible). Now I am sooo glad I did, because I love it.