at that price, i would just get a netbook with bettery cpu, more ram, much much larger storage, and works offline. this HP should be priced around $150-$180
A netbook will not have a better cpu... You'd be looking at an Atom, and the Celly 847 is basically a super neutered sandy bridge chip, and even as cut down as it is, it would be faster than an Atom, or AMD's Atom equivalent.
The Celeron 847 is the slowest sandybridge, the e2-1800 is the second fastest zacate processor (there is an e2-2000 which is 50 mhz faster than the e2-1800)
So in sum the 847 is about 20% faster than the e2-1800 for cpu tasks. The celeron is intels slowest sandybridge 17w celeron, the newest sandybridge 17w celeron is called 887 and it is clocked at 1.5 ghz (36% higher clock speed). Intel is also now selling 17w ivybridge celerons and the fastest of those is 1037U which is clocked at 1.8 ghz (63% higher clock speed and small ipc improvements going from sandybridge to ivybridge.)
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The reason you should wan't a chromebook is that you can't do anything on it. It is a very limited device, this is its second greatest strength (hard to get malware and such) and its greatest weakness. The only other strength for chromebooks is price and you can get a real windows laptop that is much better for $350.
"The reason you should wan't a chromebook is that you can't do anything on it. It is a very limited device, this is its second greatest strength (hard to get malware and such) and its greatest weakness. The only other strength for chromebooks is price and you can get a real windows laptop that is much better for $350. "
Hmmm well I've been using a Samsung Chromebook for the past two weeks and I would have to disagree about not being able to do anything on it.
I have used it solidly and have still perfectly been able to manage my business, do my accounts, email and browsing from it. All the usual wordprocessing and spreadsheets work just fine.
Oh and I can use it perfectly okay when not connected to the web. However, as most of us carry a smartphone with 3G tethering these periods are very rare.
The ChromeOS will be a very BIG thing. Google just hasn't started pushing it yet. It's still pretty much a open beta right now.
Once they do, it's going to Hit MS/Apple and anyone who can't be bothered with Linux and its command line BS really hard. (yes I know its based on linux but it removes all the fiddly crap from it that hardly anyone needs).
"Can it run eclipse/visual studio/some ide or photoshop/gimp/something or develop android apps? Pretty certain the answer is no to all of those things."
And what percentage exactly of the general computing population actual do any of that stuff to any degree?
I think you'll find its quite a small percentage compared to those that just browse, use Facebook and do the odd letter, invoice and accounts spreadsheet.
For the general person who isn't into video editing/major visual manipulation and major application development it works pretty well.
I can play vids from my QNAP via the twonky server/browser.
Oh and printers work. I've printed stuff from my Chromebook to my non cloud approved laser printer.
Because Intel can make the cpus cheaper than AMD. The list price of all the celerons ulvs is $87 dollars but no oem ever pays that amount for said cpus. All these celeron sandybridge cpus are rejects. If anything is wrong with the cpu, for example some of the cache doesn't work, some of the gpu doesn't work, it can't hit a target ghz in a certain voltage or tdp range then it becomes a crappy celeron.
An intel i7-2677 has 4 megs of cache, 1.8 ghz base, 2.9 ghz turbo, and 12 execution units. A celeron 847 has 2 megs of cache, 1.1 ghz, and 6 execution units.
If any of cpus fail any of those 4 tests, yet the chip still works they can resell it at a celeron. They can sell this chip at any price above "manufacturing" cost and it still be worth it for they are not taking a loss of said cpu. The i3 to i7s pay the research and foundry costs. The celerons and pentiums allow intel to salvage cpus and trim the waste budget.
Intel sandybridge dual core mobile die size is about 131mm2, Intel Ivybridge dual core mobile die size is about 94mm2. AMD trinity dual module (quad core) mobile die size is 246mm2. I have not see news about AMD having a single module die being made, it would make sense to me if they do have this but I have seen no news about this.
Intel can sell salvage cpus at a profit for their manufacturing cost is a lot cheaper than amd, and thus they can just undercut amd and still make a profit.
1) Buy a Lenovo Ideapad N586 for about the same price as above ChromeBook. 2) Install Chrome yourself. There you go.
The only downside is: No SSD. Not sure how important that is, if the browser is the only piece of software you ever use.
Instead you get a bigger screen and a full keyboard. Hell, for just a bit over 400$, HP will sell you a 17'' Pavillion with a 1600x900 screen resolution. 350$ really seems too much for what little this ChromeBook can do, even for people which don't need to do more.
$330 or so gets you the same specs but either 11.6" or 15.6" screen, 4GB RAM and a 320GB mechanical drive, with Windows 8.
Unless you really need a 14" device, you're better off buying a regular Windows laptop, and then installing a different OS, and if you must, selling the mechanical drive and buying your own tiny SSD.
Well I've shown my Chromebook to half a dozen 'normal PC users' since I've had it and four of them have bought one since. Basically they were "Oh wow it does all I need without all the messing about with Office, viruses etc.!"
Lot of interest in my local circles since I bought one. Only going to get bigger.
Even mum and dad want one.
Can it browse the web? Yes Can it do Facebook? Yes Can it do Twitter? Yes Can it do Ebay?Yes Can it write a letter? Yes Can it do a spreadsheet? Yes Can I store docs and photos? Yes Is it faster than my 7 year old XP laptop? Yes
Do I have to worry about Viruses? No Is it expensive? No. Do I have to learn anything new to use it? NO!
Windows 8 comes with Antivirus built-in, so you don't have to separately install it.
"Do I have to learn anything new to use it? NO"
I would say that always been true of Linux when I first tried it - I just installed Ubuntu and everything worked fine - at first. As soon as I tried anything new, it became very complicated very fast, and I finally gave up. Hopefully the Chrome OS will do better, but it still has an uphill battle. I don't think any new OS will gain much traction until businesses start using them.
Yeah, actually at 2x1.10 GHz its unlikely to be more powerfull than any modern quad-core tablet.
And more portable? By the numbers, sure. But do you really have a 14" coat pocket? Are you strong enough to comfortably hold a 14'' in one hand and type with the other? Personally, I can't see anything I would rather do with a 14" than a 15.4". If I need portable operation, I'd even prefer 7" over 10", but as long as I have a table to put my PC on, I have really no problem putting a light 15" into my backpack to get there.
This offer is basically a oversized netbook with a heavily restricted OS. You pay 100$ to 150$ bonus for the larger screen, and give up 300GB of local storage. Annother 50$ will get you back the storage, give you an even bigger screen and a numpad in your keyboard, an optical drive and a fully functional operating system. Or, if you value portability, 50$ more will also get you the Asus Transformer.
The ChromeBooks offer may not be horrible, but I find it to be second-best for basically every user imaginable. Except maybe very young teenagers for whom the 15" option would be already too heavy. But i guess everybody in that age-group is happy with tablets anyways.
Yep. I got a full-sized 15" Lenovo Win8 laptop recently on sale for $280. Dual core 32nm 2.4GHz Celeron B980 with 4GB of ram and 320GB HDD. Saw some other low end $300-$350 full size laptops there as well. Performance has been really good.
Considering the specs, I second, third, or fourth or fifth what is said above me. This is much too expensive, especially considering the fact that the display will probably be terrible. Samsung's chromebook had at least a decent (even good by notebook standards - ugh) display, for less cost, and the A15 isn't THAT much worse (especially for web browsing) and will offer better battery life. I don't see this doing well (at least with a marginally well informed consumer)
I want to say the switch from 320GB HDD to 16GB SSD added exactly $0 to the price. At least both options are priced around 30$ to 40$ if you buy them sepparately, so I don't see why HP should pay end-user prices for the SSD while being able to buy the HDD for significantly less than 10$.
What might add to the price is a better case, in my experience the mechanical part of their notebooks is the part that HP really knows how to do right. Never had an Acer, so I have no Idea how they do on that front.
Personally, I don't understand why anybody would buy a chromebook other than it is probably easier to use for internet browsing purposes than a PC (then again, I would use a tablet for that....)
Well yes, this model, but no to the rejection of the Chromebook idea. It's a true netbook, and the ARM version is (now, with Netflix and PPAPI support) perfect.
PNaCl will really make Chrome OS shine with true portability. I'm definitely looking hard at it to possibly develop for.
I just got a full-sized 15" Lenovo laptop with Win8 on sale for $280. Dual core 2.4GHz Celeron with 4GB of ram and 320GB HDD. Saw some $300-$350 low end, full size laptops by other OEMs there as well.
There are a lot of deals out there. I just picked up an Acer V3 with the AMD A8-4500m (Trinity), 4 gig of ram and a 500 gig hard drive for $339 delivered. A lot more useful than a Chromebook. It even does decent at gaming. It can play SWTOR at high quality nice and smooth.
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luv2liv - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
at that price, i would just get a netbook with bettery cpu, more ram, much much larger storage, and works offline.this HP should be priced around $150-$180
extide - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
A netbook will not have a better cpu... You'd be looking at an Atom, and the Celly 847 is basically a super neutered sandy bridge chip, and even as cut down as it is, it would be faster than an Atom, or AMD's Atom equivalent.strata8 - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
An 11" netbook with an E2-1800 has slightly better CPU/GPU performance and can be found for the same price with better specs.Roland00Address - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
The Celeron 847 is the slowest sandybridge, the e2-1800 is the second fastest zacate processor (there is an e2-2000 which is 50 mhz faster than the e2-1800)e2-1800
Cinebench R10: Rendering Multiple CPUs 64Bit avg 2332.5
Passmark score of 850
Celeron 847
Cinebench R10: Rendering Multiple CPUs 64Bit avg: 2865
Passmark score of 1046
For more info see here
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-E-Series-E2-1800-...
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-847-Not...
So in sum the 847 is about 20% faster than the e2-1800 for cpu tasks. The celeron is intels slowest sandybridge 17w celeron, the newest sandybridge 17w celeron is called 887 and it is clocked at 1.5 ghz (36% higher clock speed). Intel is also now selling 17w ivybridge celerons and the fastest of those is 1037U which is clocked at 1.8 ghz (63% higher clock speed and small ipc improvements going from sandybridge to ivybridge.)
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The reason you should wan't a chromebook is that you can't do anything on it. It is a very limited device, this is its second greatest strength (hard to get malware and such) and its greatest weakness. The only other strength for chromebooks is price and you can get a real windows laptop that is much better for $350.
jabber - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
"The reason you should wan't a chromebook is that you can't do anything on it. It is a very limited device, this is its second greatest strength (hard to get malware and such) and its greatest weakness. The only other strength for chromebooks is price and you can get a real windows laptop that is much better for $350. "Hmmm well I've been using a Samsung Chromebook for the past two weeks and I would have to disagree about not being able to do anything on it.
I have used it solidly and have still perfectly been able to manage my business, do my accounts, email and browsing from it. All the usual wordprocessing and spreadsheets work just fine.
Oh and I can use it perfectly okay when not connected to the web. However, as most of us carry a smartphone with 3G tethering these periods are very rare.
The ChromeOS will be a very BIG thing. Google just hasn't started pushing it yet. It's still pretty much a open beta right now.
Once they do, it's going to Hit MS/Apple and anyone who can't be bothered with Linux and its command line BS really hard. (yes I know its based on linux but it removes all the fiddly crap from it that hardly anyone needs).
The OS for the masses has finally arrived.
andrewaggb - Monday, February 11, 2013 - link
Can it run eclipse/visual studio/some ide or photoshop/gimp/something or develop android apps? Pretty certain the answer is no to all of those things.What about DLNA media playback? I suspect this may work but I don't know.
Do any printers/scanners and stuff work?
jabber - Tuesday, February 12, 2013 - link
"Can it run eclipse/visual studio/some ide or photoshop/gimp/something or develop android apps? Pretty certain the answer is no to all of those things."And what percentage exactly of the general computing population actual do any of that stuff to any degree?
I think you'll find its quite a small percentage compared to those that just browse, use Facebook and do the odd letter, invoice and accounts spreadsheet.
For the general person who isn't into video editing/major visual manipulation and major application development it works pretty well.
I can play vids from my QNAP via the twonky server/browser.
Oh and printers work. I've printed stuff from my Chromebook to my non cloud approved laser printer.
GotThumbs - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
When will Chrome books have AMD APU's?I would expect the APU to lower in cost and better in performance.
Great price/tool for those with only basic needs: email, web-browsing, FBing or G+
Roland00Address - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
Because Intel can make the cpus cheaper than AMD. The list price of all the celerons ulvs is $87 dollars but no oem ever pays that amount for said cpus. All these celeron sandybridge cpus are rejects. If anything is wrong with the cpu, for example some of the cache doesn't work, some of the gpu doesn't work, it can't hit a target ghz in a certain voltage or tdp range then it becomes a crappy celeron.An intel i7-2677 has 4 megs of cache, 1.8 ghz base, 2.9 ghz turbo, and 12 execution units.
A celeron 847 has 2 megs of cache, 1.1 ghz, and 6 execution units.
If any of cpus fail any of those 4 tests, yet the chip still works they can resell it at a celeron. They can sell this chip at any price above "manufacturing" cost and it still be worth it for they are not taking a loss of said cpu. The i3 to i7s pay the research and foundry costs. The celerons and pentiums allow intel to salvage cpus and trim the waste budget.
Intel sandybridge dual core mobile die size is about 131mm2, Intel Ivybridge dual core mobile die size is about 94mm2. AMD trinity dual module (quad core) mobile die size is 246mm2. I have not see news about AMD having a single module die being made, it would make sense to me if they do have this but I have seen no news about this.
Intel can sell salvage cpus at a profit for their manufacturing cost is a lot cheaper than amd, and thus they can just undercut amd and still make a profit.
ShieTar - Tuesday, February 12, 2013 - link
1) Buy a Lenovo Ideapad N586 for about the same price as above ChromeBook.2) Install Chrome yourself. There you go.
The only downside is: No SSD. Not sure how important that is, if the browser is the only piece of software you ever use.
Instead you get a bigger screen and a full keyboard. Hell, for just a bit over 400$, HP will sell you a 17'' Pavillion with a 1600x900 screen resolution. 350$ really seems too much for what little this ChromeBook can do, even for people which don't need to do more.
Lonyo - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
$330 or so gets you the same specs but either 11.6" or 15.6" screen, 4GB RAM and a 320GB mechanical drive, with Windows 8.Unless you really need a 14" device, you're better off buying a regular Windows laptop, and then installing a different OS, and if you must, selling the mechanical drive and buying your own tiny SSD.
Seems stupidly priced for what it offers.
DudleyUC - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
Totally agree, this is less portable than a tablet and less powerful than a budget laptop, but not significantly cheaper than either.jabber - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
Well I've shown my Chromebook to half a dozen 'normal PC users' since I've had it and four of them have bought one since. Basically they were "Oh wow it does all I need without all the messing about with Office, viruses etc.!"Lot of interest in my local circles since I bought one. Only going to get bigger.
Even mum and dad want one.
Can it browse the web? Yes
Can it do Facebook? Yes
Can it do Twitter? Yes
Can it do Ebay?Yes
Can it write a letter? Yes
Can it do a spreadsheet? Yes
Can I store docs and photos? Yes
Is it faster than my 7 year old XP laptop? Yes
Do I have to worry about Viruses? No
Is it expensive? No.
Do I have to learn anything new to use it? NO!
kmmatney - Sunday, February 10, 2013 - link
Windows 8 comes with Antivirus built-in, so you don't have to separately install it."Do I have to learn anything new to use it? NO"
I would say that always been true of Linux when I first tried it - I just installed Ubuntu and everything worked fine - at first. As soon as I tried anything new, it became very complicated very fast, and I finally gave up. Hopefully the Chrome OS will do better, but it still has an uphill battle. I don't think any new OS will gain much traction until businesses start using them.
JCheng - Sunday, February 10, 2013 - link
Or put another way, more portable than a budget laptop and more powerful than a tablet, but not more expensive than either.ShieTar - Tuesday, February 12, 2013 - link
Yeah, actually at 2x1.10 GHz its unlikely to be more powerfull than any modern quad-core tablet.And more portable? By the numbers, sure. But do you really have a 14" coat pocket? Are you strong enough to comfortably hold a 14'' in one hand and type with the other? Personally, I can't see anything I would rather do with a 14" than a 15.4". If I need portable operation, I'd even prefer 7" over 10", but as long as I have a table to put my PC on, I have really no problem putting a light 15" into my backpack to get there.
This offer is basically a oversized netbook with a heavily restricted OS. You pay 100$ to 150$ bonus for the larger screen, and give up 300GB of local storage. Annother 50$ will get you back the storage, give you an even bigger screen and a numpad in your keyboard, an optical drive and a fully functional operating system. Or, if you value portability, 50$ more will also get you the Asus Transformer.
The ChromeBooks offer may not be horrible, but I find it to be second-best for basically every user imaginable. Except maybe very young teenagers for whom the 15" option would be already too heavy. But i guess everybody in that age-group is happy with tablets anyways.
piiman - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - link
On top of that I've alredy seen other Chrome Books for 199.99 in BestBuy's.So this one seems little high.
Hector2 - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
Yep. I got a full-sized 15" Lenovo Win8 laptop recently on sale for $280. Dual core 32nm 2.4GHz Celeron B980 with 4GB of ram and 320GB HDD. Saw some other low end $300-$350 full size laptops there as well. Performance has been really good.karasaj - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
Considering the specs, I second, third, or fourth or fifth what is said above me. This is much too expensive, especially considering the fact that the display will probably be terrible. Samsung's chromebook had at least a decent (even good by notebook standards - ugh) display, for less cost, and the A15 isn't THAT much worse (especially for web browsing) and will offer better battery life. I don't see this doing well (at least with a marginally well informed consumer)karasaj - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
Anandtech, we need an edit feature! :PPlus the fact that Acer's C7 is virtually identical (?) for 200$.
DudleyUC - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
It is very similar, only bigger, heavier, and more expensive (yet without better battery life). I'm confused...lmcd - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
SSD, though that probably added like $25 max to the BOMShieTar - Tuesday, February 12, 2013 - link
I want to say the switch from 320GB HDD to 16GB SSD added exactly $0 to the price. At least both options are priced around 30$ to 40$ if you buy them sepparately, so I don't see why HP should pay end-user prices for the SSD while being able to buy the HDD for significantly less than 10$.What might add to the price is a better case, in my experience the mechanical part of their notebooks is the part that HP really knows how to do right. Never had an Acer, so I have no Idea how they do on that front.
DudleyUC - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
This thing is worthless.hmaarrfk - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
Totally agreed.Took me all of two seconds to find this
Regular price at Dell $350
http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15-3521/fs
CPU mark of the chromebook processor Celeron 847: 1046
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Cele...
CPU mark of the Dell processor Celeron 1007U : 1591
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Cele...
And the Dell is better in every aspect.....
Personally, I don't understand why anybody would buy a chromebook other than it is probably easier to use for internet browsing purposes than a PC (then again, I would use a tablet for that....)
lmcd - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
Well yes, this model, but no to the rejection of the Chromebook idea. It's a true netbook, and the ARM version is (now, with Netflix and PPAPI support) perfect.PNaCl will really make Chrome OS shine with true portability. I'm definitely looking hard at it to possibly develop for.
Hector2 - Friday, February 8, 2013 - link
I just got a full-sized 15" Lenovo laptop with Win8 on sale for $280. Dual core 2.4GHz Celeron with 4GB of ram and 320GB HDD. Saw some $300-$350 low end, full size laptops by other OEMs there as well.Why get a Chromebook when you can have it all ?
Scannall - Saturday, February 9, 2013 - link
There are a lot of deals out there. I just picked up an Acer V3 with the AMD A8-4500m (Trinity), 4 gig of ram and a 500 gig hard drive for $339 delivered. A lot more useful than a Chromebook. It even does decent at gaming. It can play SWTOR at high quality nice and smooth.