I'm not sure a truly frameless/bezeless display is possible with current technology, outside of a very finely calibrated projection system, but what a pain to set up. Even new tablets and phones that claim to have "edge to edge" screens still have bezels. At some point, the screen has to have an edge of some kind either for electrical termination or to protect the screen in use/shipping.
Hopefully all this flexible/durable OLED display tech will result in something approaching zero bezel. (sub 1mm?)
can't blame them, they have 3 less technologies in that monitor ( no ips and no DTS and no Frameless ) and you will say that they have g sync well the thing is free sync is coming so it will also include a risk of not selling. especially if the new gpu's from AMD give Nvidia another beating. lol :P i said beating XD
I saw some site in the UK list 10/10/14 as the ship date for the Acer 4k. Not really sure if that's legit as it was originally supposed to release several months ago.
That 25" x1440 monitor sounds interesting. I'd be interested in it provided I can get the benefit of more screen real estate without needing to fiddle about with the abomination that is Windows DPI scaling.
So, how would 2560x1440 look like on a 25" monitor at a roughly 3 foot distance?
It's ~118 DPI; which is equivalent to a 13" 1366x768 display. That's a reasonably common laptop resolution; so you should be able to test-drive UI element size easily enough at your local electronics boxmart.
Of course, a 13" laptop is normally kept much closer. So in "real PPI" terms I guess we should assume it would like a 13" full HD display. Pretty sharp, although not crazy sharp like most modern tablets.
FYI, I have a 27" 1440 Acer.. it's pretty small. For the most part I can handle it. But lately I have decided that I have to use zoom in chrome to read web pages comfortably. Finally just set Chrome's default zoom to 125%, and now I'm doing okay. It's just the text that is a bit hard, everything else is gravy.
I can live with the slight border form the panel. What irks me is the bezel on just one side. If I wanted to run these in portrait mode, they'd be in the way. Also an issue if I wanted to do a 2 x 2 array (rotation of the top row can be done occasionally to mitigate this issue).
If you're talking about the bottom bezel, I doubt we'll ever see it get shrunk down to a sliver on non-touch screen displays. Monitors with control buttons on the side/back always catch flack for usability in reviews; and moving them to a separate module that could be attached to/integrated into the stand would increase complexity and play poorly with monitor arms/etc.
I'd accept back mounted buttons if I could also control the monitor via my PC, a simple USB serial protocol would allow 3rd party apps on any platform.
Ugh, that's a terrible excuse even if somewhat logical... I'm sure there's SOME kinda market (beyond a few hardcore gamers) that would appreciate super slim frames on all sides at the expense of rear mounted controls and whatnot, DIY'ing frame removal on existing displays shouldn't be the only option.
FWIW I'd be all over something like this if it was equally slim on all sides. I would love the extra res, without going all the way to 4K which would simply be unmanageable for gaming across multiple displays...
That bottom frame should at least be black, if it were black and no larger than my U2412M's border I could possibly live with that. Although between GSync, 120Hz, newer res choices, and whatnot it seems like a pretty dubious time to invest in new panels that'll last a long time.
Need some more consolidation of these new/different panel improvements.
That 25" screen looks very nice with such a resolution! I don't MOAR just for the sake of it. If it also has FreeSync running off an Intel IGP and an ambient light sensor it could be perfect.
Finally a good screen size/resolution combo! 2160p at 27" is just about perfect in terms of sharpness, while manageable by mainstream systems releasing now/next year. I hope the calibrated color accuracy stands up. Is it sRGB or AdobeRGB? Wil it do 24p or is that too much to ask?
Really 1440p is still good at 27" and it's good to have more competition in this comfortably large monitor size, for me the ideal monitor size.
I'm all for 22-32" 1080p monitors with the smallest bezel possible. 120hz would also be really nice, especially on an IPS display. I'd buy 3 of them in 24" if I could find them for a decent price.
I don't really care about the size of the frame, but I am looking forward to getting a 4K IPS monitor once single-stream versions are available. Currently you can either pay $2500+ for a 4K IPS monitor with MST (unreliable), or pay $600-$800 for a 4K TN monitor (low color quality). Then there's the 39" Seiki 4K TV, which is cheap, but only supports 30 Hz refresh (not nearly enough even for normal everyday use, much less media and gaming). Dammit, I want it all!
Sorry didn't finish last message, was walking and on phone... So this looks kinda innovative compared to other 4k monitors, but what do you mean single steam?
4K at 43.8" matches the pixel density of 30"ers. It doesn't make sense that nobody makes a 4K 40" monitor. Maybe once one company makes one, the rest will come to their senses and make their own, just like what happened with 30"ers. <$2000 should be easily achievable, given that you can buy 65" TVs for $1300.
Acer you got me really interested, with these eye strain technologies since i have an eye that is 5/6 and one that is like 3/6, i really appreciate it thank you and the DTS AS SORROUND SOUND this thing sounds too good to be true to the ear and about the frameless tech i can't wait to hear more about it seems a unique one idd :), all i ask is for one thing please. these monitors sounds to be a bit expensive for us high end gamers like if it's just for ultra end gamers so can you make the 2k version non 4k for high end gamers only please ? and support free sync / g sync since almost every body that can afford these cards have these gpu's, it'll be really good for us :], if not then i understand, AND again thanks for these unbelievable tech you always manage to give us :)
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nathanddrews - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
"'Frameless' is a little bit of a misnomer"Or, in this case, completely false. :-(
Speaking of Acer, WhereTF is this thing? It's supposed to be shipping already:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8054/acer-4k-gsync-m...
Samus - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
Yeah I define frameless as 2mm or less.nathanddrews - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link
I'm not sure a truly frameless/bezeless display is possible with current technology, outside of a very finely calibrated projection system, but what a pain to set up. Even new tablets and phones that claim to have "edge to edge" screens still have bezels. At some point, the screen has to have an edge of some kind either for electrical termination or to protect the screen in use/shipping.Hopefully all this flexible/durable OLED display tech will result in something approaching zero bezel. (sub 1mm?)
Snake Eyes - Saturday, September 13, 2014 - link
can't blame them, they have 3 less technologies in that monitor ( no ips and no DTS and no Frameless ) and you will say that they have g sync well the thing is free sync is coming so it will also include a risk of not selling. especially if the new gpu's from AMD give Nvidia another beating. lol :P i said beating XDKaboose - Monday, September 15, 2014 - link
I saw some site in the UK list 10/10/14 as the ship date for the Acer 4k. Not really sure if that's legit as it was originally supposed to release several months ago.mrdude - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
That 25" x1440 monitor sounds interesting. I'd be interested in it provided I can get the benefit of more screen real estate without needing to fiddle about with the abomination that is Windows DPI scaling.So, how would 2560x1440 look like on a 25" monitor at a roughly 3 foot distance?
DanNeely - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
It's ~118 DPI; which is equivalent to a 13" 1366x768 display. That's a reasonably common laptop resolution; so you should be able to test-drive UI element size easily enough at your local electronics boxmart.Calista - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
Of course, a 13" laptop is normally kept much closer. So in "real PPI" terms I guess we should assume it would like a 13" full HD display. Pretty sharp, although not crazy sharp like most modern tablets.DanNeely - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
mrdude wanted to know what the 25" one would look like. For testing that just standing a bit farther back from the screen in the store will work fine.izdlang - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
FYI, I have a 27" 1440 Acer.. it's pretty small. For the most part I can handle it. But lately I have decided that I have to use zoom in chrome to read web pages comfortably. Finally just set Chrome's default zoom to 125%, and now I'm doing okay. It's just the text that is a bit hard, everything else is gravy.Kevin G - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
I can live with the slight border form the panel. What irks me is the bezel on just one side. If I wanted to run these in portrait mode, they'd be in the way. Also an issue if I wanted to do a 2 x 2 array (rotation of the top row can be done occasionally to mitigate this issue).DanNeely - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
If you're talking about the bottom bezel, I doubt we'll ever see it get shrunk down to a sliver on non-touch screen displays. Monitors with control buttons on the side/back always catch flack for usability in reviews; and moving them to a separate module that could be attached to/integrated into the stand would increase complexity and play poorly with monitor arms/etc.alaricljs - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
I'd accept back mounted buttons if I could also control the monitor via my PC, a simple USB serial protocol would allow 3rd party apps on any platform.Impulses - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
Ugh, that's a terrible excuse even if somewhat logical... I'm sure there's SOME kinda market (beyond a few hardcore gamers) that would appreciate super slim frames on all sides at the expense of rear mounted controls and whatnot, DIY'ing frame removal on existing displays shouldn't be the only option.Impulses - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
FWIW I'd be all over something like this if it was equally slim on all sides. I would love the extra res, without going all the way to 4K which would simply be unmanageable for gaming across multiple displays...That bottom frame should at least be black, if it were black and no larger than my U2412M's border I could possibly live with that. Although between GSync, 120Hz, newer res choices, and whatnot it seems like a pretty dubious time to invest in new panels that'll last a long time.
Need some more consolidation of these new/different panel improvements.
mpbrede - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link
I doubt these monitors can be rotated at all. See the rear view image here.http://hexus.net/tech/news/displays/74513-acer-ann...
MrSpadge - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
That 25" screen looks very nice with such a resolution! I don't MOAR just for the sake of it. If it also has FreeSync running off an Intel IGP and an ambient light sensor it could be perfect.Gasaraki88 - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
Dell already have "frameless" monitors, they are 24" though.CSMR - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
Finally a good screen size/resolution combo! 2160p at 27" is just about perfect in terms of sharpness, while manageable by mainstream systems releasing now/next year. I hope the calibrated color accuracy stands up. Is it sRGB or AdobeRGB? Wil it do 24p or is that too much to ask?Really 1440p is still good at 27" and it's good to have more competition in this comfortably large monitor size, for me the ideal monitor size.
CSMR - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
I misread, it's 25" at 1440p. Even better, another excellent screen size resolution combo!piroroadkill - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
Wait, what? How can a monitor feature DTS sound? What kind of marketing gimmick is that?Even the original, basic DTS Coherent Acoustics codec is 1.5Mbps 5.1 channel.
How on earth can a slim monitor have DTS anything?
Also, frameless is only true if the outside edges of the monitor are quite literally the casing the panel comes in.
DanNeely - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
The same way that single soundbars fake 5.1 sounds.....Hrel - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
I'm all for 22-32" 1080p monitors with the smallest bezel possible. 120hz would also be really nice, especially on an IPS display. I'd buy 3 of them in 24" if I could find them for a decent price.jenesuispasbavard - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
If those are frameless so are my Dell S2340M's...JDG1980 - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
I don't really care about the size of the frame, but I am looking forward to getting a 4K IPS monitor once single-stream versions are available. Currently you can either pay $2500+ for a 4K IPS monitor with MST (unreliable), or pay $600-$800 for a 4K TN monitor (low color quality). Then there's the 39" Seiki 4K TV, which is cheap, but only supports 30 Hz refresh (not nearly enough even for normal everyday use, much less media and gaming). Dammit, I want it all!GuniGuGu - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link
This!!! 4k IPS is win!!!GuniGuGu - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link
Sorry didn't finish last message, was walking and on phone... So this looks kinda innovative compared to other 4k monitors, but what do you mean single steam?SanX - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
Why all this monitor mafia like by mutual agreement avoids making larger size 30-40" 4K monitors where 4K will really shine ?AnnonymousCoward - Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - link
4K at 43.8" matches the pixel density of 30"ers. It doesn't make sense that nobody makes a 4K 40" monitor. Maybe once one company makes one, the rest will come to their senses and make their own, just like what happened with 30"ers. <$2000 should be easily achievable, given that you can buy 65" TVs for $1300.adamfilipo - Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - link
its not frameless unless I can take two of these monitors and butt them up side by side and not see a gapetherlore - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link
Let's hope this is full HDMI 2.0.DPOverLord - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link
Is someone not seeing the massive frame/bezel on the bottom...... Yes its perfect for portrait surround... NotSnake Eyes - Saturday, September 13, 2014 - link
Acer you got me really interested, with these eye strain technologies since i have an eye that is 5/6 and one that is like 3/6, i really appreciate it thank you and the DTS AS SORROUND SOUND this thing sounds too good to be true to the ear and about the frameless tech i can't wait to hear more about it seems a unique one idd :), all i ask is for one thing please.these monitors sounds to be a bit expensive for us high end gamers like if it's just for ultra end gamers so can you make the 2k version non 4k for high end gamers only please ? and support free sync / g sync since almost every body that can afford these cards have these gpu's, it'll be really good for us :], if not then i understand, AND again thanks for these unbelievable tech you always manage to give us :)
Snake Eyes - Saturday, September 13, 2014 - link
wish free sync version of these monitors would come out soon :(AnnonymousCoward - Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - link
Misleading article title! I only clicked this because it claimed "frameless". There are frames.