It is tricky-- but the phone is significantly smaller than the Zenfone 2, which some might prefer, and from this review it appears the Snapdragon 615 is a nice upgrade over the 400 series in the Moto G/E devices.
Sorry, but the $200 zenfone 2 have a 720p screen and doesn't have quick charging too. It is still a better value than this phone, but not by that much.
The north american version of the ZenFone 2 has a 1080p screen on the low ($199) and high ($299) end variants. Difference is RAM (2GB vs 4GB), CPU (1.8GHz vs 2.3GHz) and storage (16GB vs 64GB). This is the ZE551ML. In other markets there is a 720p variant with model number ZE550ML.
Disturbing that for a SoC known for it's overheating capabilities (yes this one too), you fully ignore the issue and don't look for throttling.
"Snapdragon 615 is really the best you're going to get at this price point" That is clearly a false statement and not sure how can you make it. SD615 is likely the worst A53 based solution in this price range clock for clock and not just in CPU. If you factor in that others are going higher clocks (without overheating) in the same price band and even higher clocks for slightly costlier and more capable SoCs , your statement becomes even more absurd. But that's when you factor in the SoC price not the device price. If you go by device price, the OnePlus One is 250$ and if you factor in China, a bunch of faster devices are at or very close that price.
For what? SD615 can't do 1.7GHz and pretty much any device with those clocks is know to have problems. At 1.5GHz it throttles little if at all but that can depend on the device and requires investigation. As for how it does against competing 8xA53 SoCs from Hisilicon (hey those are actually worse), Marvell, Mediatek and Samsung it would take some time(that i don't have) to find a bunch of reasonably good links since too many can't be bothered to look beyond Qualcomm, just like AT loves to do.
The MTK 6752 is significantly faster than the SD 615 and runs cooler too, despite all the ores being clocked at a relatively high 1.7ghz
The 615 flatters to deceive and is hamstrung by memory bandwith issues and thermals. If they had provided a dual channel 32 bit RAM like the older Snapdragon 600 and paired it with the Adreno 320, it would have been a killer mid range chip. Alas,this is par for the course these days with Qualcom chipsets.
One more observation, the Zenfone 2 is absolutely suberb in terms of performance/price/ Nothing else in the midrange comes close to it in terms of both CPU and GPU performance. The 2.3 GHZ and 4 GB model at 300 USD performs as good as any Snapdragon 801 device and trades blows with the 805.
Totally off topic, so apologies in advance, but...
"T1beriu" as your nick? Is it meant to be in reference to the Tiber River? Tiberius Caesar? Tiberium? Brigadier General Mark Jamison Sheppard must know! :-)
You can fab the transistors for the two different clusters differently. For the high performance cluster, you would use a higher leakage, faster transistor (and power gate when not in use) and for the low power cluster use slower, but lower leakage transistors.
Why would you do that though, considering the A53 is so low power anyway. It makes no sense at all. Instead of second cluster put a single A57 core in or something
4.5 hours to charge a 8.4 Wh battery at 5W is ludicrously bad.
Is the issue that the wall plug isn't actually delivering 5W (5V 500 mA only maybe?) or that it simply takes an age to go from nearly full to 100%?
While the 100% charge time test has its uses, it may be more useful to report 0% to 80% charge time, as this should avoids charge taper near the top and is a better indication of how much charge can be recovered in a short period (airport, etc).
Zenfone 2 at $200 makes this phone a flop, especially considering its not even coming with lollipop, wut?!
The last paragraph in this review is gold and nicely sums up the entire article:
The P8 Lite wouldn't be a bad recommendation if it was priced a bit lower and received an update to Lollipop. While I don't know if it would be possible for Huawei to reach a price of $150, I would need the P8 Lite to be priced somewhere below $200 before I could really recommend it. At this time there are simply better options in the $200-300 range, and so at its current price point the P8 Lite is a phone I find difficult to recommend.
I have a problem with this company. Most of the phones they're selling these days are not in tune with the market based on specifications, build, and/or branding. They're an adequately sized company selling communications equipment but I doubt they are big and experienced as ASUS or Motorola. Gigabyte also makes phones and laptops but they're reasonably priced as they are not a big brand.
Anyway, for the specs and review, I'd put this on par or even below a Moto G (2015 and 2014). Yes, it is a thin phone but it ends there.
Nah that's a huge misconception. Huawei if anything is many times bigger than Asus and Motorola combined. They provide equipment and build cellular structures for EUs and they are a government company, and hold enough patents in mobile network that can almost compete with Qualcomm. Smartphone is only a one sector of their business and they are just not taking it seriously enough
The P8 Lite supports LTE band 12, which makes it attractive if you're a T-Mobile customer like I am. I got the phone on sale a couple months ago for $200. I like the size and the performance and the battery life, but it's overpriced at $250.
This phone seems like a bad choice. Glad I got a ZenFone 2, but sure since I got the 4GB RAM/64GB flash version it cost me $300. Battery life on ZF2 is not great, but has improved a bit with system updates. I guess if the P8 Lite had Android 5.0 it would have even worse battery life.
"As for performance, Snapdragon 615 is really the best you're going to get at this price point unless you go with the Zenfone 2 which is something of an anomaly in many ways. "
Which begs the question why more manufacturers aren't using Intel chips which clearly smash the performance of any other mid range priced offerings?
Stick an Intel chip in a Moto G and I'll buy that!
Agree, I dont understand why more manufacturers do not use the newer Silvermont based Intel chips, considering the performance levels and the low price. Much better than using mediocre socs like Snapdragon 410/615 at similar price points. Having used the ZF2, I can personally attest to its performance in handling anything Android has to offer.
The answer is simple, Intel chips don't come with integrated modems. just look at zenfone 2, that thing comes with XMM 7262 with CAT 6 LTE disabled, and if this doesn't show you the problem already, Qualcomm's Gobi modem even comes with integrated GPS solution whereas Asus has to include a Broadcom solution. so just by using these atoms you already have to include 2 other chips whereas Qualcomm just gives you an all-in-one solution. then the choice is obvious, unless intel is literally paying money to you, which they did, what incentive is there for you to use their more complicated solution instead of qualcomm's? and this is how qualcomm got to become what it is today. back in the old days qualcomm's SoCs suffered even worse overheating and performance and yet OEMs still persist to use their stuff, simply because they offered an integrated modem. in a sense, OEMs only have themselves to blame rather than qualcomm for having to release junk phones all over this year, if they didn't spoil qualcomm so much back then, there wouldn't be so little choices in the SoC market
The European / Asian version has Lollipop UI Emotion 3.1 and the their own HiSilicon's Kirin 620 SoC. Is it possible to review that one? Seems much better than the American version... A friend of mine bought one and it´s pretty slick, even if I continue to prefer the Moto E, considering the price.
eww, you've got really hairy arms! (just joking, there were complaints in the comments about the iWatch that the guy wearing it had hairless arms :)
So why would I want a phone with eight A53 CPUs? In my experience with a quad-core tablet, it rarely uses more than two of them fully when it is running at full speed, with the third and fourth cores doing a bit of work but hardly ever even approaching fully utilised (probably just running the tasks that need to be run anyway, so their main purpose is taking a tiny bit of work off the other cores).
Given that a 64-bit CPU is a bit unnecessary when phones have yet to reach 4GB RAM, and probably counter-productive power-wise as a result (just look at A15/A7 vs A57/A53), whilst benchmarks may run faster on a quad-core 1.5GHz A53, I suspect I'm better off with my old dual-core 1.7GHz Krait for most daily usage. It lasts me all day and never feels slow, and most of the time (according to a CPU usage monitor) one of the cores isn't being used much. I don't play 3D games much on my phone; so I never tax the GPU, therefore the Adreno 305 is perfectly fine for me,
What workload other than benchmarks requires more than two CPU cores? The main one that occurs to me is a browser, in which case you would be much better off culling battery draining processes rather than running them.
Again, please, post a graph of performance over time for a 20 minute intensive run (ala T-Rex). Also, performance degradation should be expressed as a ratio of [final run] / [cold run].
how the flock can the P8 be last in fps with only 8.71 fps and the P8 lite (a lot cheaper version) has 23.40? That would be like my current P30 Lite would kick the P30 Pro heavy in GPU testing?! People who said Huawei has no chance, maybe in the US where it was stopped early (most companies were not allowed to offer it with contracts and contracts made up over 80% of sales in 2017 when I did read about first US sanctions on Huawei)
It sold so well in Eurasia that the first sanctions they (Apple, US industry in this business and trump, for him every deal is unfair if america has no large advantage or has to compete with countries like china) hoped its done with, than that google thing, people like me and millions others still buyed the phones, now we know "they" were the last huawei with google services, P40 and other news (Mate 30?! or 40?) come without and I only play 1 game right now on my phone, its the well known Asphalt 9: Legends, I downloaded it somehow via AppGallery from Huawei and I because of that dont play with my google account but with huawei account but have no problem with that, most players come from China, India and some asian countries and than russia/europe and the rest of the world^^
its very unfair and I never ever will buy the apple...but I knew that already before they released smartphones, apple just suck, next phone wont be huawei except the appgallery continue to grow and most new games will also be available there (china/asia is a huge market and Huawei was just the largest smartphone company in the world due to corona weak sales in the US/"West" from Apple and Samsung also weakened a bit, this wont hold but I dont think Google and the companies want to give up all that possible customers with growing income and in china but also (at least before the P40 or other non-google phones were released) in countries like russia huawei really had large shares, P20 lite was the best selling phone of the month (by numbers ofc) in June or July 2018 in Germany,
offering always lite, normal and pro versions, and maybe they use other names in india or vietnam but the lite version should be affordable for most, especially if its subsidied by a 1 or 2 year internet contract which doesn't cost a fortune there like in Germany where already in 2000 the mobile data frequencies were sold for unbelievable 100 billion D-Mark to the 6 leading mobile companies (16.66 billion DM each!), in the UK a comparable auction only brought a few billion by the 4 largest companies also around that time,
lets hope when trump is removed the relations between Europe and the US get better and maybe they even see that its a cheap way to destroy Huawei who was/is standing for the success of the chinese state, but the producers of ARM-SoC's are in US hands and even the only alternative from Taiwan had been told if they deliver chips to huawei they can forget all contracts with US companies or to the US... thats trumps "fair trade", like they threat small companies finishing the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline...it gives Russia and Germany another advantage in gas, which in this 2nd offshore pipeline would be for exports only from Germany that trump wants to use for exporting the flood of shale gas, the boom started in 2011, planing even a while before but trump becoming president in 2017 said it were his great actions...
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shing3232 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
there is error in the spec, it should be A53 instead of A7.Wardrop - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
What a flop. Talk about miss the mark.LoganPowell - Friday, November 27, 2015 - link
Not really a big fan of Huawei. I don't think it will stand a chance to those highly rated phones on the market such as http://www.consumerrunner.com/top-10-best-phones/ for example.Wardrop - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Yeah, that wasn't meant to be a reply to you.JoshHo - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Apologies, it has been corrected.Shadow7037932 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
With the Zenfone 2 at $200 (2GB/1080p LCD), no QC 2.0, and worse performance than the Zenfone 2, why the hell would anyone buy this for $250???Seems like a pretty lacklustre phone esp. compared to the Zenfone 2, Idol 3, Moto G 2014, and Xiaomi phones in similar price range.
djw39 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
It is tricky-- but the phone is significantly smaller than the Zenfone 2, which some might prefer, and from this review it appears the Snapdragon 615 is a nice upgrade over the 400 series in the Moto G/E devices.Pissedoffyouth - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
How exactly is the 615 that much better than a 410? 300mhz?kenansadhu - Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - link
Sorry, but the $200 zenfone 2 have a 720p screen and doesn't have quick charging too. It is still a better value than this phone, but not by that much.Glock24 - Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - link
The north american version of the ZenFone 2 has a 1080p screen on the low ($199) and high ($299) end variants. Difference is RAM (2GB vs 4GB), CPU (1.8GHz vs 2.3GHz) and storage (16GB vs 64GB). This is the ZE551ML. In other markets there is a 720p variant with model number ZE550ML.Buk Lau - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link
It is capable of QC 2.0, they just don't ship you with a charger and you just have to get it yourself from somewherezebrax2 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Error in the specifications table showing A7 instead of A53.jjj - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Disturbing that for a SoC known for it's overheating capabilities (yes this one too), you fully ignore the issue and don't look for throttling."Snapdragon 615 is really the best you're going to get at this price point"
That is clearly a false statement and not sure how can you make it. SD615 is likely the worst A53 based solution in this price range clock for clock and not just in CPU. If you factor in that others are going higher clocks (without overheating) in the same price band and even higher clocks for slightly costlier and more capable SoCs , your statement becomes even more absurd.
But that's when you factor in the SoC price not the device price. If you go by device price, the OnePlus One is 250$ and if you factor in China, a bunch of faster devices are at or very close that price.
T1beriu - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Source?jjj - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
For what? SD615 can't do 1.7GHz and pretty much any device with those clocks is know to have problems. At 1.5GHz it throttles little if at all but that can depend on the device and requires investigation. As for how it does against competing 8xA53 SoCs from Hisilicon (hey those are actually worse), Marvell, Mediatek and Samsung it would take some time(that i don't have) to find a bunch of reasonably good links since too many can't be bothered to look beyond Qualcomm, just like AT loves to do.djw39 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
How can you say the Snapdragon 615 is "likely the worst A53 based solution in this price range" then?LiverpoolFC5903 - Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - link
The MTK 6752 is significantly faster than the SD 615 and runs cooler too, despite all the ores being clocked at a relatively high 1.7ghzThe 615 flatters to deceive and is hamstrung by memory bandwith issues and thermals. If they had provided a dual channel 32 bit RAM like the older Snapdragon 600 and paired it with the Adreno 320, it would have been a killer mid range chip. Alas,this is par for the course these days with Qualcom chipsets.
One more observation, the Zenfone 2 is absolutely suberb in terms of performance/price/ Nothing else in the midrange comes close to it in terms of both CPU and GPU performance. The 2.3 GHZ and 4 GB model at 300 USD performs as good as any Snapdragon 801 device and trades blows with the 805.
AndrewJacksonZA - Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - link
Totally off topic, so apologies in advance, but..."T1beriu" as your nick? Is it meant to be in reference to the Tiber River? Tiberius Caesar? Tiberium? Brigadier General Mark Jamison Sheppard must know! :-)
twizzlebizzle22 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
What's the benefit of using big little with the same core architecture between the clusters.Can't one cluster scale back under lighter workloads?
cmikeh2 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
You can fab the transistors for the two different clusters differently. For the high performance cluster, you would use a higher leakage, faster transistor (and power gate when not in use) and for the low power cluster use slower, but lower leakage transistors.Pissedoffyouth - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Why would you do that though, considering the A53 is so low power anyway. It makes no sense at all. Instead of second cluster put a single A57 core in or somethingSamus - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Every little bit helps.protomech - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
4.5 hours to charge a 8.4 Wh battery at 5W is ludicrously bad.Is the issue that the wall plug isn't actually delivering 5W (5V 500 mA only maybe?) or that it simply takes an age to go from nearly full to 100%?
While the 100% charge time test has its uses, it may be more useful to report 0% to 80% charge time, as this should avoids charge taper near the top and is a better indication of how much charge can be recovered in a short period (airport, etc).
webdoctors - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Zenfone 2 at $200 makes this phone a flop, especially considering its not even coming with lollipop, wut?!The last paragraph in this review is gold and nicely sums up the entire article:
The P8 Lite wouldn't be a bad recommendation if it was priced a bit lower and received an update to Lollipop. While I don't know if it would be possible for Huawei to reach a price of $150, I would need the P8 Lite to be priced somewhere below $200 before I could really recommend it. At this time there are simply better options in the $200-300 range, and so at its current price point the P8 Lite is a phone I find difficult to recommend.
utmode - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
'Kitkat?'Gee, I began to hate this company
zodiacfml - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
I have a problem with this company. Most of the phones they're selling these days are not in tune with the market based on specifications, build, and/or branding. They're an adequately sized company selling communications equipment but I doubt they are big and experienced as ASUS or Motorola. Gigabyte also makes phones and laptops but they're reasonably priced as they are not a big brand.Anyway, for the specs and review, I'd put this on par or even below a Moto G (2015 and 2014). Yes, it is a thin phone but it ends there.
Buk Lau - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link
Nah that's a huge misconception. Huawei if anything is many times bigger than Asus and Motorola combined. They provide equipment and build cellular structures for EUs and they are a government company, and hold enough patents in mobile network that can almost compete with Qualcomm. Smartphone is only a one sector of their business and they are just not taking it seriously enoughToTTenTranz - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
I wonder why Huawei hates having a decent wifi connection in their models.ultimatebob - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Hey Anandtech, the forums are down again. Can you get someone to look at that when you get a chance?Setec - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
Actually, the OnePlus One price was dropped to $249 a few months ago.joeroyhud - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
The P8 Lite supports LTE band 12, which makes it attractive if you're a T-Mobile customer like I am. I got the phone on sale a couple months ago for $200. I like the size and the performance and the battery life, but it's overpriced at $250.Glock24 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
This phone seems like a bad choice. Glad I got a ZenFone 2, but sure since I got the 4GB RAM/64GB flash version it cost me $300. Battery life on ZF2 is not great, but has improved a bit with system updates. I guess if the P8 Lite had Android 5.0 it would have even worse battery life.austinsguitar - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
g4 pleaseedwd2 - Monday, July 27, 2015 - link
SD615 is a plain no for me. It's arguably worse than the SD600 and the MT6752 smokes it in every aspect at a lower price point.Speedfriend - Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - link
"As for performance, Snapdragon 615 is really the best you're going to get at this price point unless you go with the Zenfone 2 which is something of an anomaly in many ways. "Which begs the question why more manufacturers aren't using Intel chips which clearly smash the performance of any other mid range priced offerings?
Stick an Intel chip in a Moto G and I'll buy that!
LiverpoolFC5903 - Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - link
Agree, I dont understand why more manufacturers do not use the newer Silvermont based Intel chips, considering the performance levels and the low price. Much better than using mediocre socs like Snapdragon 410/615 at similar price points. Having used the ZF2, I can personally attest to its performance in handling anything Android has to offer.Buk Lau - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link
The answer is simple, Intel chips don't come with integrated modems. just look at zenfone 2, that thing comes with XMM 7262 with CAT 6 LTE disabled, and if this doesn't show you the problem already, Qualcomm's Gobi modem even comes with integrated GPS solution whereas Asus has to include a Broadcom solution. so just by using these atoms you already have to include 2 other chips whereas Qualcomm just gives you an all-in-one solution. then the choice is obvious, unless intel is literally paying money to you, which they did, what incentive is there for you to use their more complicated solution instead of qualcomm's? and this is how qualcomm got to become what it is today. back in the old days qualcomm's SoCs suffered even worse overheating and performance and yet OEMs still persist to use their stuff, simply because they offered an integrated modem. in a sense, OEMs only have themselves to blame rather than qualcomm for having to release junk phones all over this year, if they didn't spoil qualcomm so much back then, there wouldn't be so little choices in the SoC marketBadelhas - Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - link
The European / Asian version has Lollipop UI Emotion 3.1 and the their own HiSilicon's Kirin 620 SoC. Is it possible to review that one? Seems much better than the American version...A friend of mine bought one and it´s pretty slick, even if I continue to prefer the Moto E, considering the price.
PrinceGaz - Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - link
eww, you've got really hairy arms! (just joking, there were complaints in the comments about the iWatch that the guy wearing it had hairless arms :)So why would I want a phone with eight A53 CPUs? In my experience with a quad-core tablet, it rarely uses more than two of them fully when it is running at full speed, with the third and fourth cores doing a bit of work but hardly ever even approaching fully utilised (probably just running the tasks that need to be run anyway, so their main purpose is taking a tiny bit of work off the other cores).
Given that a 64-bit CPU is a bit unnecessary when phones have yet to reach 4GB RAM, and probably counter-productive power-wise as a result (just look at A15/A7 vs A57/A53), whilst benchmarks may run faster on a quad-core 1.5GHz A53, I suspect I'm better off with my old dual-core 1.7GHz Krait for most daily usage. It lasts me all day and never feels slow, and most of the time (according to a CPU usage monitor) one of the cores isn't being used much. I don't play 3D games much on my phone; so I never tax the GPU, therefore the Adreno 305 is perfectly fine for me,
What workload other than benchmarks requires more than two CPU cores? The main one that occurs to me is a browser, in which case you would be much better off culling battery draining processes rather than running them.
Ethos Evoss - Saturday, August 1, 2015 - link
pls honor 7 reviewthnx
ileben - Tuesday, August 4, 2015 - link
Again, please, post a graph of performance over time for a 20 minute intensive run (ala T-Rex).Also, performance degradation should be expressed as a ratio of [final run] / [cold run].
NAdeera - Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - link
Can anybody tell me about the battery timestampede84 - Thursday, July 21, 2016 - link
Is it possible to charge Huawei with 2A chargers ? Will it break my phone or does the charging time will remain the same ?KilonBerlin - Friday, August 21, 2020 - link
how the flock can the P8 be last in fps with only 8.71 fps and the P8 lite (a lot cheaper version) has 23.40? That would be like my current P30 Lite would kick the P30 Pro heavy in GPU testing?! People who said Huawei has no chance, maybe in the US where it was stopped early (most companies were not allowed to offer it with contracts and contracts made up over 80% of sales in 2017 when I did read about first US sanctions on Huawei)KilonBerlin - Friday, August 21, 2020 - link
It sold so well in Eurasia that the first sanctions they (Apple, US industry in this business and trump, for him every deal is unfair if america has no large advantage or has to compete with countries like china) hoped its done with, than that google thing, people like me and millions others still buyed the phones, now we know "they" were the last huawei with google services, P40 and other news (Mate 30?! or 40?) come without and I only play 1 game right now on my phone, its the well known Asphalt 9: Legends, I downloaded it somehow via AppGallery from Huawei and I because of that dont play with my google account but with huawei account but have no problem with that, most players come from China, India and some asian countries and than russia/europe and the rest of the world^^its very unfair and I never ever will buy the apple...but I knew that already before they released smartphones, apple just suck, next phone wont be huawei except the appgallery continue to grow and most new games will also be available there (china/asia is a huge market and Huawei was just the largest smartphone company in the world due to corona weak sales in the US/"West" from Apple and Samsung also weakened a bit, this wont hold but I dont think Google and the companies want to give up all that possible customers with growing income and in china but also (at least before the P40 or other non-google phones were released) in countries like russia huawei really had large shares, P20 lite was the best selling phone of the month (by numbers ofc) in June or July 2018 in Germany,
offering always lite, normal and pro versions, and maybe they use other names in india or vietnam but the lite version should be affordable for most, especially if its subsidied by a 1 or 2 year internet contract which doesn't cost a fortune there like in Germany where already in 2000 the mobile data frequencies were sold for unbelievable 100 billion D-Mark to the 6 leading mobile companies (16.66 billion DM each!), in the UK a comparable auction only brought a few billion by the 4 largest companies also around that time,
lets hope when trump is removed the relations between Europe and the US get better and maybe they even see that its a cheap way to destroy Huawei who was/is standing for the success of the chinese state, but the producers of ARM-SoC's are in US hands and even the only alternative from Taiwan had been told if they deliver chips to huawei they can forget all contracts with US companies or to the US... thats trumps "fair trade", like they threat small companies finishing the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline...it gives Russia and Germany another advantage in gas, which in this 2nd offshore pipeline would be for exports only from Germany that trump wants to use for exporting the flood of shale gas, the boom started in 2011, planing even a while before but trump becoming president in 2017 said it were his great actions...